#NephJC Transcript

Healthcare social media transcript of the #NephJC hashtag.
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Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Daniel Coyne @DrDanMO
RT @Maximal_Change: Really looking forward to this #nephJC tonight! Hope to see old and new friends there and learn something new! https://t.co/Ig6e3cJqgs
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Owen Albin @owenralb
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Bea Concepcion @KidneyBea_n
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Akbar. @Kidneyisland
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Andrew M. Ibrahim MD, MSc (He/Him) @AndrewMIbrahim
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
Use your #patientvoice and contact Congress Tell them funding #ckd research is a #publichealth priority https://t.co/aQjfkVRZDH #nephJC
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM #VisualAbstract #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/zm8nraaxg1 https://t.co/E79nGygral
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
Hey @mjdeschenes hope you're able to participate tonight @9pm! https://t.co/8oZrt2QapE
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: #NephJC tonight Article: https://t.co/NGzyai8qC4 Summary: https://t.co/ioILbQwy6U #VisualAbstract https://t.co/iSa1ZEm09Y
Mana @manasigh
RT @edgarvlermamd: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM #VisualAbstract #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/zm8nraaxg1 https://t.co/E79nGygral
Carlos Fernandez, PharmD @rojasfec
This pictorial will save some reading.... :-) https://t.co/eT8r7Q7c5q
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
@RossNesbit @drpaddymark @paulphel @RichardHaynes3 Hope you are coming to #NephJC tonight?
Tim Leung @tsleung
RT @kidney_boy: CANVAS release candidate 2 (now in technicolor) #NephJC Feedback welcome https://t.co/GpOYtSrs3E
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Just over an hour left for tonight's #NephJC Not too late to read the article or the summary. Or just use the #VisualAbstract to wing it!
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@NephJC @kidney_boy @NEJM @georgeinstitute Nice infographic. Dont forget renal and heart failure effects if wish to fully balance risks and benefits #nephjc
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
RT @kidney_boy: #NephJC Definitive renal outcomes in the Canagliflozin and Renal Endpoints in DM with Estab. Nephropathy Clinical Eval. trial (CREDENCE)
Reny Duarsa @Renaladdict
RT @edgarvlermamd: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM #VisualAbstract #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/zm8nraaxg1 https://t.co/E79nGygral
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T - 10 minutes. Anyone here? #nephjc
Phillip Madonia @PMNax2
Phillip Madonia Private practice BHam AL Mostly will be lurking #nephjc https://t.co/YRDBcxC7yq
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@PMNax2 hey Phil! nice to see you. We will be live soon #nephjc
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
Ross Nesbit, UT Nephrology, Knoxville, TN. #nephjc
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
Happy to see @PMNax2 here tonight #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Joel Topf, co-founder of #NephJC, I'm just looking for an hour without dog nephrotic syndrome tweets #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
Matt Sparks, @DukeKidney APD @KIDNEYcon Edu Director. In and out tonight #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Welcome to the oh-so-sweet edition of #NephJC on #CANVAS Summary here: https://t.co/ioILbQeWIk
Phillip Madonia @PMNax2
Very happy to be here #nephjc https://t.co/52ZnwJak41
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Hey Joel, Matt and Ross (and Phil)! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Please introduce yourself (even if you plan to lurk) and disclose any conflicts of interests (CoI) #NephJC
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
Swapnil Hiremath, #NephJC cofounder from @OttawaRenal @OttawaHospital No CoI https://t.co/DIBtyppbxe
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
Tim Yau from @WUSTLNephrology, no COI #nephjc
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
Just in time for #NephJC https://t.co/NXCE6YdLoh
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Remember to add #NephJC to all your tweets Or just use @tchatio ie go to https://t.co/4zRxyflhEJ
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
Tim Yau from @WUNephrology, no COI #nephjc
William Beaubien-Souligny @WBeaubien
William Beaubien-Souligny, Nephrology fellow in Montreal #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@Maximal_Change Hi Tim! Nice video of #NephJC crew on 2ajkdonline - thanks!
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@WBeaubien welcome William! #nephjc
Daniel Edmonston @DanEdmonston
Daniel Edmonston. @DukeKidney fellow. On vacation so mostly lurking. Obviously not COI. #NephJC
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@NephJC Nephrologist and trialist. Co-author on paper. Funding from Janssen, also consulted for BI and AZ. look forward to the discussion #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Edgar Lerma, Chicago-based Nephrologist #NephJC https://t.co/6yxme5YBjG
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
@NephJC Michelle Rheault here. Ped Neph UMN. COI: I don't see (much) type 2 diabetes. Mostly lurking #NephJC
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
Hector Madariaga, from #patriotsnation. No COI. Hi, everyone! #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@HecmagsMD How's the family Hector? #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
RT @NephJC: Welcome to the oh-so-sweet edition of #NephJC on #CANVAS Summary here: https://t.co/ioILbQeWIk
Katalin Susztak @KSusztak
#nephjc Hello Katalin is here
Bea Concepcion @KidneyBea_n
Bea Concepcion from @VUMCKidney #NSMC no COI, hello everyone! #nephjc
Poyan Mehr @poyanmehr
Ali Poyan Mehr, Boston no COI #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Hecs, Michelle, Edgar, Katalin, Bea - and Daniel, Ali - nice show #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors: Origin #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWiv8qwm https://t.co/MWuCyX8FPV
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@KidneyBea_n @VUMCKidney Hey Bea, great to see you :) #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
This is Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil from Ottawa hosting tonight. Expect a packed house to the #NephJC signal https://t.co/VmTIveuUBF
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
Dallas Nephrologist. #NSMC 2017 intern. Ready to discuss CANVAS. #nephjc
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
@Maximal_Change Hi Tim! They are doing great. Thanks for asking. How about your family? Happy Father's Day! #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
RT @VladoPerkovic: @NephJC @kidney_boy @NEJM @georgeinstitute Nice infographic. Dont forget renal and heart failure effects if wish to fully balance risks and benefits #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@DoctorGates Congrats on the ASH certification! #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@HecmagsMD Hi Hecs #NephJc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@HecmagsMD They're doing well, getting bigger and bigger :) #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
Christos Argyropoulos, University of New Mexico Nephrology #NephJC No COI (except disagreeing about the outcome of #Nephmadness)
Nikhil Shah MBBS DNB(IM, Neph)🇨🇦 @dr_nikhilshah
#nephjc Whew! Made it. But only lurking! Nikhil Shah Nephrologist. No CoI. Glad to be back even to lurk.
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
#NephJC Arvind Canchi, Nephrologist from Bangalore, no COI
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Any authors in the house from @george_clinical ? @VladoPerkovic will join later, maybe @BruceNeal1 ? #NephJC
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
@Nephro_Sparks Hi, boss! 👋👋 hope all is well! #nephjc
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@ChristosArgyrop This view should never be let go #blueribbonfail #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@DoctorGates Congrats! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Arvind, Nikhil, Tulun, Christos (of course) #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
We are discussing this @NEJM RCT, funded by @JanssenUS & carried out by @georgeinstitute https://t.co/NGzyaiq1tC #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Warm up question T0 do you use SGLT2 inhibitors already? if yes, for whom? If no, why not? #NephJC
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
Hi this is Silvi from Cincinnati no Coi #NephJC
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@NephJC @george_clinical @BruceNeal1 I am here! Looking forward to the discussion #NephJC
rob @renalpolitics
rob rope, stanford renal fellow for 3..2.... howdy, never any coid #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Author in the house! RT @VladoPerkovic: @NephJC @george_clinical @BruceNeal1 I am here! Looking forward to the discussion #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@VladoPerkovic @NephJC @george_clinical @BruceNeal1 fabulous - watch your manners guys! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Welocme Silvi and Rob! #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC Have not personally started it on a patient, but have several patients with relatively preserved GFR on them from endocrine #nephjc
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @NephJC: Warm up question T0 do you use SGLT2 inhibitors already? if yes, for whom? If no, why not? #NephJC
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
T0: I've come across a few so far, mostly in proteinuria referrals that have preserved GFR to that point. Haven't started one #nephjc
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
I haven't used sglt 2 inhibitors so far #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Dr. Vlado Perkovic (@VladoPerkovic ) has only has only 568 followers. Let's pump that up! #nephjc
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
@NephJC Once: with HT and uncontrolled DM. Locally endos still quite wary (DKA) #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Yes I do - if/when insurance allows and the copay manageable. eGFR 45-60 (empa), eGFR>60 indifferent to choice of SGLT2i #Nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC Some have mentioned there is pre-authorization and insurance issues starting. Anyone run into that yet for this class? #nephjc
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: We are discussing this @NEJM RCT, funded by @JanssenUS & carried out by @georgeinstitute https://t.co/NGzyaiq1tC #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @kidney_boy: Dr. Vlado Perkovic (@VladoPerkovic ) has only has only 568 followers. Let's pump that up! #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Currently FDA approved SGLT2 inhibitors #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/cKcWms9j0Y https://t.co/jd1EHUyvRD
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@khaled1409 hey Khaled, welcome (what time there?) #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Forget preserved GFR, I only use them patients with a full complement of toes! #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
RT @kidney_boy: Forget preserved GFR, I only use them patients with a full complement of toes! #nephjc
rob @renalpolitics
I had residency patient x 1 on canafloglozin early on (from outside provider) on prior to weight loss fixing his diabetes #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
Hi all. Have used in a large number of patients #NephJC
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
@NephJC Not yet- now I think why? Maybe did not get trained in it but will do soon #nephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@drjjw welcome Jordan! Presumably in diabetic patients? #nephjc
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T0 follow up: Have you seen any patient with SGLT2 & a complication? (Eg DKA or urogenital infxn) #NephJC
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@drjjw Hi Jordan! You start mainly for CV protection, glycemic control, or both? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC Yes I do - if/when insurance allows and the copay manageable. eGFR 45-60 (empa), eGFR>60 indifferent to choice of SGLT2i #Nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@NephJC Yes, only in diabetes so far. #NephJC
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
I'm a fan of SGLT2i - interesting trials so far. Don't usually start them myself. PCPs usually take ownership of DM mgmt locally #nephjc
Pablo Garcia @PabloGarciaMD
Pablo Garcia from New Brunswick, NJ. No CoI. #NSMC intern 2017 #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
#NephJC https://t.co/a8KFvWcLun
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
How long until we see an attempt to get approval for weight loss? #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@PabloGarciaMD Hey Pablo, how've you been? #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors: Mechanism #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/sTdvvHXaal
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
so far, he says! RT @drjjw: @NephJC Yes, only in diabetes so far. #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@PabloGarciaMD Pablo! nice to see you back #nephjc
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
@NephJC T0: I've never used SGLT2 inhibitors. But paying attention as type 2 diabetes is increasing in adolescents. #NephJC https://t.co/4l1HTq0m7j https://t.co/ymfjAgD8b8
Detox Relay @DetoxRelay
RT @kidney_boy: How long until we see an attempt to get approval for weight loss? #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
I am regularly writing in may consult notes to start them. Have had a lot of trouble with insurance cos when I tried myself. #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@kidney_boy Any studies on how many calories in sugar you pee out/day on these drugs? #nephjc
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
Sabrina, EM pharmacist in Ottawa. SGLT2i notable in my practice because we are seeing cases of associated euglycemic DKA #NephJC
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@kidney_boy An attempt? Surely that lobbying is ongoing...if DDAVP can get nocturia indication, anything is possible. #nephjc
Kenar Jhaveri @kdjhaveri
@silvishah Same here #nephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@ottawamarble welcome, Sabrina! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@kdjhaveri @silvishah hi Kenar! #nephjc
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@kidney_boy some of the early development was for weight loss. Will be interesting to see if it is picked up again #nephjc
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
@NephJC Follow pts who are already on it prescribed by endo #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @VladoPerkovic: @kidney_boy some of the early development was for weight loss. Will be interesting to see if it is picked up again #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@Maximal_Change I start for both. I have found I like treating diabetes more than I thought. #Nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
OK - some, not a lot of usage. Lets start with CANVAS now #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @rheault_m: @NephJC T0: @NephJC T0: I've never used SGLT2 inhibitors. But paying attention as type 2 diabetes is increasing in adolescents. #NephJC https://t.co/4l1HTq0m7j https://t.co/ymfjAgD8b8
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Lots of additional material at the @georgeinstitute website freely available https://t.co/swGfh9uGqn #NephJC
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: Lots of additional material at the @georgeinstitute website freely available https://t.co/swGfh9uGqn #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: methods Let's dive in. CANVAS program = CANVAS + CANVAS-R Everyone OK with how that played out? #NephJC https://t.co/WDhjjq2Ia4
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors ➡️ Weight Loss #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/l2XYSYiVtp
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
No DKA - urogenital sure #NephJC (but note my endo colleagues careful about T1 vs T2 pathophys and we share clinic space & apts #NephJC https://t.co/bosfckuBOb
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
since they unblinded part of their cohort, they started a second trial. Sounds like the right way to handle it #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: plan was for CANVAS phase 1 f/b expansion to phase 2 with 14,000 Interim results used sponsor, so 1/2 #NephJC https://t.co/eElLkPVmPb
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: contd: plan changed to add-on CANVAS-R. See https://t.co/lC3drl8996 for details #NephJC https://t.co/yQ4PaX1vCS
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
after you fire the guy who unblinded the trial early. #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC The transition from CANVAS to CANVAS-R was interesting but since the data was unblinded, appropriate #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Did not like the unblidning. Also CANVAS and CANVAS-R done over different periods (? secular trends) #Nephjc
John Neary @jddneary
@NephJC #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Did you sense some unhappiness with the unblinding for approval? Or a pragmatic decision? #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors: Cardioprotective #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWiv8qwm https://t.co/WZzN7kOONy
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@kidney_boy Agree completely with the first thought...hard not to agree with this one. A teaching moment #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors: Renoprotective #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/hq6j58AG7g
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @RossNesbit: @kidney_boy Agree completely with the first thought...hard not to agree with this one. A teaching moment #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
#NephJC https://t.co/RPoCAX3P3k
Daniel Edmonston @DanEdmonston
@edgarvlermamd Is the weight loss effect independent of diuretic effect? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
#NephJC https://t.co/dspgmOrrjh
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: Population type 2 DM with GFR > 30 Age > 30 with CV dz or Age > 50 with 2 or more CV risk factors #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@DanEdmonston @edgarvlermamd great question, how would you determine that? #nephjc
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
RT @NephJC: #NephJC https://t.co/dspgmOrrjh
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@DanEdmonston @edgarvlermamd One could argue net negative calories b/c of the glucosuria. #nephjc
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
We've noted more 20 cases of euglycemic DKA in the last year at our hospital. Some Dx late so maybe more misdiagnosed. #NephJC https://t.co/UeCXvdjIsa
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@Maximal_Change Very intrigued by this idea...waiting on that glucose/caloric calculation... #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Vote in my micro albumin poll before Swapnil gives you the answer: https://t.co/YZUHlrwdag #nephjc
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
Weight loss appears sustained. Would only be temporary if fluid losses alone. Additionally a SE is thirst from vol depletion #NephJC https://t.co/NwMF2GZgK0
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: non-inferiority design, mostly from FDA requireemnt to show CV safety (after rosiglitazone mess) https://t.co/6pF6hdPCyF #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@RossNesbit Theoretically shouldn't be too hard to do. In old days before IRB, I'd take the drug, collect my urine for 24 hours #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
Im back. #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@ottawamarble Always strange to me that no prospective trials identified the DKA risk yet many cases found in postmarketing #NephJC
Daniel Edmonston @DanEdmonston
@Maximal_Change @edgarvlermamd True. The speed of weight loss may be helpful. It could be like marketing furosemide as a weight loss drug... #NephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@DoctorGates Not sure I agree with that - this is why we put ppl with CHF on Lasix :) #Nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@drjjw @ottawamarble this one did (coming up later) #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@RossNesbit measure glucose concentration, multiply by urine volume, and find out how many calories in 1 gram of glucose. #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@Maximal_Change @RossNesbit the glycosuria would be higher for poorer glycemic control. No? #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@drjjw @ottawamarble watching them closer?? #DKAWatch #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
RT @drjjw: @ottawamarble Always strange to me that no prospective trials identified the DKA risk yet many cases found in postmarketing #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: strict hierarchy of outcomes since CANVAS-R added in. Looks robust, agree? #NephJC https://t.co/Ii49HQCn7k
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@drjjw @ottawamarble Shorter observation period + extending to populations not studied under the original trials #NephJC
John Neary @jddneary
@NephJC I'm sick of multi-trial "programs", not to mention "key secondary endpoints" & all this nonsense. 1 trial, 1 analysis, 1 endpoint #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@kidney_boy @RossNesbit Yes, it should. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T1: also note, though controls = placebo, background of std of care for glucose, BP, CV mgt etc #NephJC
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@kidney_boy @Maximal_Change Probably? Would this drive a higher UOP or beyond threshold of osmotic diuresis vs. diminishing returns? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @drjjw @ottawamarble Shorter observation period + extending to populations not studied under the original trials #NephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
Standard for these trials - remember the cinacalcet one? Similarhierarchical analysis #nephjc https://t.co/kBEihz05hn
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Does the hierarchy of outcomes protect against the risk of multiple comparisons? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@ChristosArgyrop @drjjw @ottawamarble and not unusual for less common side effects to be seen in phase 4 studies #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors and DKA: Proposed mechanisms #SCM16 #Nephpearls #NephJC Photo credit: @HecmagsMD https://t.co/URiqj4D5ft
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
@NephJC Yes, two pts with prostatic abscesses. Difficult to treat. One Pt needed surgery and UTI kept recurring. #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@kidney_boy Christos answered just before you asked! #telepathy #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@RossNesbit @kidney_boy Maybe not as simple as I originally thought... #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
(Acknowledgment: Lot of material directly from @george_clinical website: https://t.co/swGfh9uGqn) #NephJC
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@NephJC @ChristosArgyrop @ottawamarble Yes. But they are adjudicated inconsistently. No standardization. No blinding etc etc #Nephjc
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
@Nephro_Sparks @drjjw Our pharms are def more aware and starting to screen earlier. Lots of pts misdiagnosed as sepsis early on #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
OK - lets move on to results since there are lots of them #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks I'm sorry but I don't buy it. #NephJC
William Beaubien-Souligny @WBeaubien
RT @ottawamarble: @Nephro_Sparks @drjjw Our pharms are def more aware and starting to screen earlier. Lots of pts misdiagnosed as sepsis early on #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@PabloGarciaMD doing well. busy as always, in a good way. you'll be a killer 3rd year resident. good luck with the fresh interns next week! #nephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
Complicated - theoretically sequential procedure accounts for that (partially), but who decides on the order of testing? #nephjc https://t.co/0DYsdxwtHg
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: table 1, 14 years DM, ~ in 60s, mostly white, anything else strike you? #NephJC https://t.co/csFphxbLOU
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: also 30 countries, 667 sites. Let's acknowledge the Herculean task modern RCTs are to pull off! #NephJC https://t.co/Etlojq9Y3j
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks curious... what are you suggesting? #nephjc
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks What would it take for you to "buy it"? #nephjc
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: (Acknowledgment: Lot of material directly from @george_clinical website: (Acknowledgment: Lot of material directly from @george_clinical website: https://t.co/swGfh9uGqn) #NephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Blood pressures were actually very decent #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@FralickMike Hey Mike! great you could make it! (tweet your NEJM paper on this please) #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC Blood pressures were actually very decent #NephJC
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: also 30 countries, 667 sites. Let's acknowledge the Herculean task modern RCTs are to pull off! #NephJC https://t.co/Etlojq9Y3j
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: lots of RAAS blockade, metformin in both arms looks good? #NephJC https://t.co/hSRQLSWA5q
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@NephJC @george_clinical impressive #NephJC
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@kidney_boy @drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks here's our work on the topic: https://t.co/spfkf6wLzn #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @FralickMike: @kidney_boy @drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks here's our work on the topic: @kidney_boy @drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks here's our work on the topic: https://t.co/spfkf6wLzn #nephjc
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
Small number of PVD - 20%, large CAD though. Possibly undetected PVD which could have confounded amputation surprise attack? #NephJC https://t.co/aIiRYCa0PF
William Beaubien-Souligny @WBeaubien
RT @FralickMike: @kidney_boy @drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks here's our work on the topic: @kidney_boy @drjjw @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks here's our work on the topic: https://t.co/spfkf6wLzn #nephjc
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: lots of RAAS blockade, metformin in both arms looks good? #NephJC https://t.co/hSRQLSWA5q
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
@NephJC I've seen a couple of patients with orthostatic hypotension #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
How do you get 17% hx of nephropathy but only 7% with macroalbuminuria? #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
RT @kidney_boy: How do you get 17% hx of nephropathy but only 7% with macroalbuminuria? #nephjc
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
@Nephro_Sparks @drjjw Acidosis nyd, finally responds to stopping SGLT2i. Certainly these pts have comorbid conditions and often on insulin #NephJC 1/2
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
@NephJC @george_clinical I'm just worried that India has disappeared from the face of that map. #nephjc It did drift in to join & create Himalayas, perhaps under it?
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: so what did Cana do? Reduce sugar, BP and weight from figure 2 #NephJC https://t.co/95f2VJcALk
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@NephJC They did pretty well on finding a lot of non-proteinuric diabetics; 70% without is pretty darn good #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @DoctorGates: Small number of PVD - 20%, large CAD though. Possibly undetected PVD which could have confounded amputation surprise attack? #NephJC https://t.co/aIiRYCa0PF
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
@Nephro_Sparks @drjjw But no improvement in acidosis until drug d/c. But I have only seen 1 probable case myself. #NephJC 2/2
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
RT @DoctorGates: Small number of PVD - 20%, large CAD though. Possibly undetected PVD which could have confounded amputation surprise attack? #NephJC https://t.co/aIiRYCa0PF
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC I feel like it does a little of everything - nothing that was huge, but everything moved in the right direction #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @Maximal_Change: @NephJC I feel like it does a little of everything - nothing that was huge, but everything moved in the right direction #nephjc
Phillip Madonia @PMNax2
RT @RossNesbit: @NephJC They did pretty well on finding a lot of non-proteinuric diabetics; 70% without is pretty darn good #nephjc
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@kidney_boy nephropathy is an investigator check box- macroalbuminuria measured at screening visit #NephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@kidney_boy 1. About 40%-50% of DKD in modern era will be minimally proteinuric 2. RAASi work #NephJC https://t.co/OXt1VhmjRt (for 1st point)
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC I should caveat that with the amputation issue of course. #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@VladoPerkovic may need to take the investigators back to kidney school ;-) #nephjc
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @kidney_boy 1. About 40%-50% of DKD in modern era will be minimally proteinuric 2. RAASi work #NephJC https://t.co/OXt1VhmjRt (for 1st point)
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Also, ~ 9% in Cana group had reduction in DM meds, hence the lines tend to converge with time (for HgbA1c) #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@RossNesbit @NephJC Modern DKD is non proteinuric in 50% of cases. #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks @drjjw which serum ketones did you measure? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @VladoPerkovic: @kidney_boy nephropathy is an investigator check box- macroalbuminuria measured at screening visit #NephJC
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
CANVAS: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM ✅ A1C ✅ BP ✅ Weight loss #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/9nm5uYskuJ
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: more on renal baseline data here #NephJC https://t.co/Q5nQ65rG4y
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
@Maximal_Change @NephJC #UtilityDrug. The friend everyone likes at a party, but he gets too rowdy and ruins everything sometimes #NephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Too small of a % to make a difference. But drop in the eGFR will improve diabetic control and this happened in the PBO arm #NephJC
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: more on renal baseline data here #NephJC https://t.co/Q5nQ65rG4y
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@kidney_boy @ottawamarble @drjjw good q #KetoneSchmeetone #NephJC
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
This reminds me of basically everyone I knew in high school. #nephJC https://t.co/e0WGD91lfh
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
#NephJC https://t.co/kDWFxNm03A
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
Personally more likely to prescribe SGLT2i on severe proteinuria despite RAASi (small subgroup of this study) #NephJC https://t.co/e5UqXAKLdS
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
CANVAS: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM ✅ Cardioprotective ✅ Renoprotective #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/TB8OoTf5D9
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: Ok - main outcomes Reduction in MACE (non-inferior and superior) Not in mortality so p values stop #NephJC https://t.co/MOqSmqwnAK
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
Would you prescribe this in a CKD3 pt with diabetic nephropathy? What GFR would you say is too low? #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors' ✅ beneficial effect on #Cardiorenal syndrome #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/oAxXdocsnc https://t.co/6USEW4SEOp
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@Maximal_Change cooler friends than me. My friends, we played a lot of D&D #nephjc
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: more on renal baseline data here #NephJC https://t.co/Q5nQ65rG4y
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
Me too. Warhammer, Shadowrun, D and D....there was nothing too nerdy for me. Except I never cosplayed. Never. #nephJC https://t.co/g3edR4AhSP
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
CANVAS: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM ‼️ Amputations ‼️ Fractures #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWiv8qwm https://t.co/oYyJWfok5l
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
@tukaramj Good morning @tukaramj #nephJC
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@tukaramj Welome! What time is it there now? 9 am? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
T2: lot of subgroup data Mostly interaction p values NS (incl CKD stage) except diuretic Beta-blocker use #NephJC https://t.co/uWWbzh0ygN
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
#Nephjc https://t.co/HrdcWO8gFQ
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: Personally more likely to prescribe SGLT2i on severe proteinuria despite RAASi (small subgroup of this study) #NephJC https://t.co/e5UqXAKLdS
Muna Islami @muna_islami
RT @edgarvlermamd: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM #VisualAbstract #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/zm8nraaxg1 https://t.co/E79nGygral
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@arvindcanchi @tukaramj nice to see you Tukaram! (and great blog) #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@NephJC The diuretic interaction was not seen in empa-reg #NephJC
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: Ok - main outcomes Reduction in MACE (non-inferior and superior) Not in mortality so p values stop #NephJC https://t.co/MOqSmqwnAK
Mana @manasigh
RT @edgarvlermamd: SGLT2 inhibitors' ✅ beneficial effect on #Cardiorenal syndrome #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/oAxXdocsnc https://t.co/6USEW4SEOp
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: lot of subgroup data Mostly interaction p values NS (incl CKD stage) except diuretic Beta-blocker use #NephJC https://t.co/uWWbzh0ygN
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
Arvind Canchi (Conjeevaram)🇮🇳 @arvindcanchi
@Maximal_Change @tukaramj 7am! #NephJC
Mana @manasigh
RT @edgarvlermamd: CANVAS: CANVAS: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM ✅ Cardioprotective ✅ Renoprotective #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/TB8OoTf5D9
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @drjjw: @NephJC The diuretic interaction was not seen in empa-reg #NephJC
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
#NephJC https://t.co/9LJc4tWvmy
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@Nephro_Sparks @ottawamarble @kidney_boy Yes if the gap matches the degree of MA. Often we don't get ketone quantity. So other acids possible #NephJC
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@arvindcanchi @tukaramj Props for joining! I'm still asleep then if I have the choice :) #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
OK - since this is #NephJC, lets see the renal outcomes a bit closely #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Key Outcomes in CANVAS vs EMPA-REG OUTCOME 🥊 #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/jq2L6g5M8k
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@NephJC Is the beta blockade enough of a protector for MI/CV events to explain it's apparent benefit? #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@drjjw @ottawamarble @kidney_boy sometimes BetaHB takes a while to come back. but need meticulous measurements me thinks #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Here is change in ACR with time (continuous) #NephJC https://t.co/a70Nr9Emgj
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Two interpr: 1) drugs works better in sicker pts with more severe CVD 2) it'ss the volume overload+RAAS activation you stupid 😉 #Nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @RossNesbit: @NephJC Is the beta blockade enough of a protector for MI/CV events to explain it's apparent benefit? #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical And remember this was a lower risk group so harder to show reductions in events (think PEACE versus HOPE or EUROPA) #Nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
And here's regression/progression of albuminuria (part of composite renal outcome) #NephJC https://t.co/n1xRVvOlUS
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC Two interpr: @NephJC Two interpr: 1) drugs works better in sicker pts with more severe CVD 2) it'ss the volume overload+RAAS activation you stupid 😉 #Nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
RT @Nephro_Sparks: @drjjw @ottawamarble @kidney_boy sometimes BetaHB takes a while to come back. but need meticulous measurements me thinks #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @drjjw: @NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical And remember this was a lower risk group so harder to show reductions in events (think PEACE versus HOPE or EUROPA) #Nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
MT @CharlieTomson MARK: Summary of CV outcome trials with SGLT2 inhibitors #UKKW2017 🇬🇧 #Nephpearls #NephJC https://t.co/u8Hz4tB3p4
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
RT @NephJC: How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
Felix_Dantès @Felix_Dantes
RT @NephJC: How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@NephJC those ACRs would NOT impress me... I get the difference but whoaa that is not much #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
And last: composite renal outcome #NephJc Only 21 dialysis or renal death https://t.co/8ilIqA6Lyr
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical Seems the effect is established early - slope difference much less impressive #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Is this something I could interest you in? #NephJC https://t.co/aGKw4fvPjE
Hector Madariaga, MD FASN 🇲🇽 @HecmagsMD
This is a great slide! #NephJC https://t.co/EoJwux68Kf
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
@NephJC I kind of have a philosophical problem with microalb->macroalb and no alb -> microalbuminuria being considered same outcome #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @Nephro_Sparks: @NephJC those ACRs would NOT impress me... I get the difference but whoaa that is not much #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
I guess I need to stop knocking the mouse studies showing barely anything and barely barely anything #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @rheault_m: @NephJC I kind of have a philosophical problem with microalb->macroalb and no alb -> microalbuminuria being considered same outcome #NephJC
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
@NephJC But I know that's a standard diabetes trial thing. #NephJC
tukaram @tukaramj
RT @rheault_m: @NephJC I kind of have a philosophical problem with microalb->macroalb and no alb -> microalbuminuria being considered same outcome #NephJC
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
Correct me if wrong...didn't EMPA-REG stop progression/decrease incidence of new MA/proteinuria? #nephjc
transplantrockstar (he/him) @tx_rockstar
RT @NephJC: How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: We are discussing this @NEJM RCT, funded by @JanssenUS & carried out by @georgeinstitute https://t.co/NGzyaiq1tC #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Did anyone see if RAS blockade use across trial follow up different? (would be unlikely since BP lower with Cana anyways, but...) #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
+1M https://t.co/xrN1wxn5PA
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: And last: And last: composite renal outcome #NephJc Only 21 dialysis or renal death https://t.co/8ilIqA6Lyr
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Worth remembering that these are on top of RAASi. Still I would have liked to see analysis looking at baseline (+ f/u use of RAASi) #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical Seems the effect is established early - slope difference much less impressive #NephJC
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
RT @rheault_m: @NephJC I kind of have a philosophical problem with microalb->macroalb and no alb -> microalbuminuria being considered same outcome #NephJC
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: And last: And last: composite renal outcome #NephJc Only 21 dialysis or renal death https://t.co/8ilIqA6Lyr
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Good Q for @VladoPerkovic #nephjC https://t.co/6K1mardToe
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
#NephJC https://t.co/vZUzV2Ef5q
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@HecmagsMD @EdgarVLermaMD. When are CREDENCE results due? Renal primary outcome is most salient to us. #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@RossNesbit thought it was new incidence of MA/protein... not progression #NephJC #EmpaReg
rob @renalpolitics
#nephjc significant regression of proteinuria on placebo speaks likely 2 bp control but also its poor function as risk marker​, best we got
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC I did not see it #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
OK - time flying, lets quickly talk of adverse events #nephjc
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@Nephro_Sparks @RossNesbit Sorry I misworded that...didn't progress TO MA/proteinuria; it prevented development of MA/macro? #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@Maximal_Change @HecmagsMD @edgarvlermamd 1-2 years #Nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC I get the urogenital infections. Don't understand the physiologic explanation for the amputations at all. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Adverse events Started looking for DKA as RCT on & DSMB asked to look for amputation! #NephJC https://t.co/Csk7E6Djb8
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
CANVAS: Canagliflozin and CV & Renal Events in Type 2 DM ✅ A1C ✅ BP ✅ Weight loss ✅ UACR #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/9ftIOnOPJv
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC The fractures seem weird - why such drastic differences b/w CANVAS and CANVAS-R? #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@Maximal_Change @NephJC I also don't buy the amputations :) #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@Nephro_Sparks @RossNesbit right, see Joel's summary https://t.co/k69ARWpPrN #nephjc
Mana @manasigh
RT @edgarvlermamd: SGLT2 inhibitors: SGLT2 inhibitors: Renoprotective #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWivq1nU https://t.co/hq6j58AG7g
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@Maximal_Change @NephJC the DSMB asked for it...they picked it up #nephjc
Mana @manasigh
RT @edgarvlermamd: SGLT2 inhibitors: SGLT2 inhibitors: Cardioprotective #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/HKVWiv8qwm https://t.co/WZzN7kOONy
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@drjjw @NephJC You my friend are a hard sell :) #nephjc
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: Adverse events Started looking for DKA as RCT on & DSMB asked to look for amputation! #NephJC https://t.co/Csk7E6Djb8
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
great chat all. I'm out. will catch rest on storify. love to see the passion 4 knowledge. pushing the envelope of science. #LoveIt #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@Nephro_Sparks See ya Matt, take care. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
So here's infections: up as expected #NephJC https://t.co/JJKDlu2MET
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
More on infections, osmotic diuresis #NephJC https://t.co/vEc3IkG08U
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@Maximal_Change @NephJC There may be a credible mechanisms - SGLT2i have differential effects on oxidative phosphorylation #NephJC
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
@Maximal_Change @HecmagsMD See this table from @PSNkidney 2014 Annual Meeting - Dr Wanner presenting about SGLT2 inhibitor trials #NephJC https://t.co/HBWinU271X
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
And, drumroll: the amputations Mostly toes, but also more major (consistent) #NephJC https://t.co/r4pnZOaiVq
Mana @manasigh
RT @edgarvlermamd: Currently FDA approved SGLT2 inhibitors #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/cKcWms9j0Y https://t.co/jd1EHUyvRD
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
What is your preference of bodily harm from CANVAS? From @hswapnil #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @Maximal_Change @NephJC There may be a credible mechanisms - SGLT2i have differential effects on oxidative phosphorylation #NephJC
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
1. Different time periods (lots of deprescribing of biphosphonates recently) 2. different doses #NephJC https://t.co/CWm7ayW9xu
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@ChristosArgyrop @Maximal_Change @NephJC Would similar off-target effect explain why VTE was a pre-specified AE? #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@edgarvlermamd @HecmagsMD @PSNkidney Still 2+ years away then. Thanks! #NephJC
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
@NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical MT @ERAEDTA WANNER: EMPA-REG OUTCOME - Renal and CV Outcomes #VisualAbstract at #ERAEDTA17 🇪🇸 #Nephpearls #NephJC https://t.co/2YTo5A2CxI
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical What does osmotic diuresis mean here? Shouldn't it be 100%? #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
And for amputation from Cana: not explained by PVD history, or other factors examined #NephJC https://t.co/MNOyFjDbhs
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@NephJC Didn't see this as a baseline characteristic; would wonder if placebo group had more/less amputation at baseline? #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
#Nephjc https://t.co/acUr1S9Psy
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: 1. Different time periods (lots of deprescribing of biphosphonates recently) 2. different doses #NephJC https://t.co/CWm7ayW9xu
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @Maximal_Change @NephJC you power an RCT for efficacy. you don't power it for an adverse events. #nephjc
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T0 follow up: T0 follow up: Have you seen any patient with SGLT2 & a complication? (Eg DKA or urogenital infxn) #NephJC
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T - 10 minutes. Anyone here? #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@ChristosArgyrop @NephJC I believe you, but when anyone says those words it sounds like code for "I don't really know" #nephjc
tukaram @tukaramj
Makes sense to hold/decrease RASi before start? https://t.co/4v3kmBrJG4
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@RossNesbit @NephJC no diff in PVD, and not explained by that.. #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@ChristosArgyrop @NephJC I also get that feeling when anyone says "oxidative stress" or "free radical formation" #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@FralickMike @Maximal_Change @NephJC I realize. But if you measure unlimited outcomes will you not see things by chance? Absolutely will. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: #NephJC https://t.co/dspgmOrrjh
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: #NephJC https://t.co/a8KFvWcLun
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: OK - lets move on to results since there are lots of them #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@Nephro_Sparks see you later matt! thx for coming #nephjc
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@NephJC @RossNesbit Well PVD could mean abnormal ABI, claudication. But if already amputated there's nothing left to cut. #nephjc
The George Institute for Global Health @georgeinstitute
RT @NephJC: Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @RossNesbit: @NephJC @RossNesbit Well PVD could mean abnormal ABI, claudication. But if already amputated there's nothing left to cut. #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@drjjw @FralickMike @Maximal_Change @NephJC Adverse events are too important to ignore. Need to look into this. #NephJC
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: contd: T1: contd: plan changed to add-on CANVAS-R. See https://t.co/lC3drl8996 for details #NephJC https://t.co/yQ4PaX1vCS
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: Population type 2 DM with GFR > 30 Age > 30 with CV dz or Age > 50 with 2 or more CV risk factors #NephJC
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: table 1, 14 years DM, ~ in 60s, mostly white, anything else strike you? #NephJC https://t.co/csFphxbLOU
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: Did you sense some unhappiness with the unblinding for approval? Or a pragmatic decision? #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
RT @NephJC: Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
William Beaubien-Souligny @WBeaubien
@NephJC Seen one with acute pyelonephritis, might have been a simple coincidence? #nephjc
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: T1: plan was for CANVAS phase 1 f/b expansion to phase 2 with 14,000 Interim results used sponsor, so 1/2 #NephJC https://t.co/eElLkPVmPb
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: T1: non-inferiority design, mostly from FDA requireemnt to show CV safety (after rosiglitazone mess) https://t.co/6pF6hdPCyF #nephjc
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: Welcome to the oh-so-sweet edition of #NephJC on #CANVAS Summary here: https://t.co/ioILbQeWIk
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: T1: strict hierarchy of outcomes since CANVAS-R added in. Looks robust, agree? #NephJC https://t.co/Ii49HQCn7k
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
RT @NephJC: Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
tukaram @tukaramj
RT @NephJC: Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: T1: also note, though controls = placebo, background of std of care for glucose, BP, CV mgt etc #NephJC
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: Just over an hour left for tonight's #NephJC Not too late to read the article or the summary. Or just use the #VisualAbstract to wing it!
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@Maximal_Change @NephJC See these https://t.co/unLbXqvwDZ https://t.co/xv52kJXtaO #NephJC Ppl have experimented with antitumor activity based on these #NephJC
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
#Nephjc https://t.co/qqDDLqT5v3
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T1: T1: methods Let's dive in. CANVAS program = CANVAS + CANVAS-R Everyone OK with how that played out? #NephJC https://t.co/WDhjjq2Ia4
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: (Acknowledgment: Lot of material directly from @george_clinical website: (Acknowledgment: Lot of material directly from @george_clinical website: https://t.co/swGfh9uGqn) #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Also, Cana: More renal adverse events (though p NS) And more fractures too #NephJC https://t.co/cvjZjn0Hl6
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @Maximal_Change @NephJC See these https://t.co/unLbXqvwDZ https://t.co/xv52kJXtaO #NephJC Ppl have experimented with antitumor activity based on these #NephJC
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
@Maximal_Change @ChristosArgyrop @NephJC What scientists 🔬 say in research papers vs. What they actually mean #NephJC 👉🏼 https://t.co/QPclG8Q4mq… via @io9 https://t.co/X7hlYtq8rk
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: Lots of additional material at the @georgeinstitute website freely available https://t.co/swGfh9uGqn #NephJC
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @kidney_boy: @drjjw @FralickMike @Maximal_Change @NephJC Adverse events are too important to ignore. Need to look into this. #NephJC
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: Warm up question T0 do you use SGLT2 inhibitors already? if yes, for whom? If no, why not? #NephJC
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC yes, but just because we don't know the physiology now doesn't mean it's not a real adverse event. #nephjc effect size and CI impressive
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
#NephJC lots of questions https://t.co/Pl0AGwqIqw
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @edgarvlermamd: @Maximal_Change @ChristosArgyrop @NephJC What scientists 🔬 say in research papers vs. What they actually mean #NephJC 👉🏼 https://t.co/QPclG8Q4mq… via @io9 https://t.co/X7hlYtq8rk
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @NephJC: Also, Cana: Also, Cana: More renal adverse events (though p NS) And more fractures too #NephJC https://t.co/cvjZjn0Hl6
Dr. Vanessa Grubbs (she/her) @thenephrologist
RT @gratefull080504: Use your #patientvoice and contact Congress Tell them funding #ckd research is a #publichealth priority https://t.co/aQjfkVRZDH #nephJC
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@ChristosArgyrop @NephJC fascinating, thanks for the link. was not aware at all #nephJC
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @kidney_boy: @drjjw @FralickMike @Maximal_Change @NephJC Adverse events are too important to ignore. Need to look into this. #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@FralickMike @drjjw @Maximal_Change @NephJC Why do you think they didn't pick up a DKA signal here? #NephJC
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@kidney_boy @drjjw @Maximal_Change @NephJC Our group is looking into this. I'm programming a cohort of about 50K pts. But I'm not sure it will be enough to convince @drjjw #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
It's certainly possible. But again, in a large study with unlimited measurements, you will find something by chance #nephjc https://t.co/j5qp9S8eBF
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Again some data from a poster in #SOT2017 #nephjc I think less is more with SGLT2i but esp with cana #NephJC https://t.co/4U1JigAcv9
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Other pharmacokinetic differences between SGLT agents from https://t.co/nMhtVauHVi #NephJc https://t.co/HyMB9pa5r6
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: T2: T2: so what did Cana do? Reduce sugar, BP and weight from figure 2 #NephJC https://t.co/95f2VJcALk
محذوف @milardport
RT @DoctorGates: Small number of PVD - 20%, large CAD though. Possibly undetected PVD which could have confounded amputation surprise attack? #NephJC https://t.co/aIiRYCa0PF
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @edgarvlermamd: @NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical MT @ERAEDTA WANNER: @NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical MT @ERAEDTA WANNER: EMPA-REG OUTCOME - Renal and CV Outcomes #VisualAbstract at #ERAEDTA17 🇪🇸 #Nephpearls #NephJC https://t.co/2YTo5A2CxI
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @NephJC: More on infections, osmotic diuresis #NephJC https://t.co/vEc3IkG08U
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @NephJC: So here's infections: So here's infections: up as expected #NephJC https://t.co/JJKDlu2MET
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @Maximal_Change: @NephJC The fractures seem weird - why such drastic differences b/w CANVAS and CANVAS-R? #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC Yes - I think the higher dose of the SGLT2i have issues. Cant resolve without advanced PKPD modeling followed by more studies #NephJC
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @Maximal_Change: @NephJC I get the urogenital infections. Don't understand the physiologic explanation for the amputations at all. #nephjc
rob @renalpolitics
#nephjc in end, is it good enough to add to metformin and RASi while focusing on diet as well!?! Assuming GFR ok.
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC Again some data from a poster in #SOT2017 #nephjc I think less is more with SGLT2i but esp with cana #NephJC https://t.co/4U1JigAcv9
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@renalpolitics still waiting for the renal data, but I'm a believer. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@kidney_boy @FralickMike @drjjw @Maximal_Change More seen, just not significant (twice as high) #NephJC https://t.co/gLzyApEtmI
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@renalpolitics IMO it is. #nephjc
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @RossNesbit: Correct me if wrong...didn't EMPA-REG stop progression/decrease incidence of new MA/proteinuria? #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors: Dose adjustments in CKD #SCM16 #Nephpearls #NephJC Photo Credit: @HecmagsMD https://t.co/oLVFwBjpK8
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@renalpolitics Feels like it to me. Within my purview to be the prescriber? Hard to say. But I'm very encouraged by them so far. #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC I'm still not sure why you you have more confidence in a large retrospective cohort than systematic review of good RCT data #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Last 4 minutes! What are take home messages? Will you use SGLT2i? If yes, Empa or Cana? #nephjc
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @edgarvlermamd: MT @CharlieTomson MARK: MT @CharlieTomson MARK: Summary of CV outcome trials with SGLT2 inhibitors #UKKW2017 🇬🇧 #Nephpearls #NephJC https://t.co/u8Hz4tB3p4
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @HecmagsMD: This is a great slide! #NephJC https://t.co/EoJwux68Kf
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
I'm really interested in giving this to people without DM but high CV risk to see if they get similar benefits. #nephjc
George Clinical @george_clinical
RT @NephJC: @kidney_boy @FralickMike @drjjw @Maximal_Change More seen, just not significant (twice as high) #NephJC https://t.co/gLzyApEtmI
Ross Nesbit @RossNesbit
@NephJC If "use" = encourage, then I think so. Still feel like the Rx should be domain of endocrine/primary mgr of DM. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@drjjw @FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change For adverse events (safety data) phase 4 post marketing surveillance more robust #NephJC
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
#NephJC https://t.co/rYbI0nkERf
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @RossNesbit: @NephJC If "use" = encourage, then I think so. Still feel like the Rx should be domain of endocrine/primary mgr of DM. #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@kidney_boy Be careful...it might become like statins and will be EVERYWHERE. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Is it all the diuretic effect as @toates_19 alluded? If so, maybe nephrons should use them?? #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
I am limited by what the insurance will allow and current label. So far, more empa than cana for me for these reasons #NephJC https://t.co/XmyDKzb5G8
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @kidney_boy: I'm really interested in giving this to people without DM but high CV risk to see if they get similar benefits. #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@NephJC Yes, in the rare patient that I see that has preserved GFR. As for which one, whichever is cheaper. #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
DKA in CANVAS: 10,142 people, 3.6 years, 18 cases of DKA, and 5 of them actually had type 1 DM. Not impressed. #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC The quality of registration trials is often very high. Strictly adjudicated. Cannot say the same for retrospective cohorts #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RCTs on the way: via @CharlieTomson at #UKKW2017 DAPA-CKD in non diabetic, also DECLARE N = 25,000 #NephJC https://t.co/ekryAd9lG4
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
SGLT2 inhibitors advantages and disadvantages ‼️ Add Amputations to list 😶 #SCM16 #Nephpearls #NephJC Photo Credit: @HecmagsMD https://t.co/LjjGFR9imm
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
Can be used to "cut" insulin by a ridiculous % - trick used by some patients and prescribers down here (off label and not by me) #nephjc https://t.co/3tn1AicKS3
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @kidney_boy: DKA in CANVAS: DKA in CANVAS: 10,142 people, 3.6 years, 18 cases of DKA, and 5 of them actually had type 1 DM. Not impressed. #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
And no reason to think these won't work at low GFRs. In fact low GFR. Am I right? I want that trial! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: Can be used to "cut" insulin by a ridiculous % - trick used by some patients and prescribers down here (off label and not by me) #nephjc https://t.co/3tn1AicKS3
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
@NephJC There's a pediatric RCT of Canagliflozin in the works for type 2 diabetes. #NephJC https://t.co/rwbjecwOKy
Ravinder @rbanait
RT @rojasfec: This pictorial will save some reading.... :-) https://t.co/eT8r7Q7c5q
Pablo Garcia @PabloGarciaMD
Not yet. I will wait for more studies. Recently read DKA is a risk factor. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@kidney_boy will they work well with GFR <30? Need dose adjustment? #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
But maybe a moot point. You have to survive to get DKA and amputations and these drugs help you do that. Need to use correctly tho #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @PabloGarciaMD: Not yet. I will wait for more studies. Recently read DKA is a risk factor. #nephjc
tukaram @tukaramj
Exematous DKD, with preserved GFR, willing to bear with cost, and risks https://t.co/m4gb2KZy3Y
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@kidney_boy For sugar reduction nope. Butwe may be looking at "spooky action" (on the heart) "at a distance" so may work at lower eGFR #nephjc
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@NephJC @drjjw @FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change Post marketing surveillance uncontrolled therefore useful for rare SEs, but not for common outcomes #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
Phew. its past 10 pm. Maybe we didn't get to it all. Tahnks everyone, esp @vladoperkovic for joining #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
remember EU #NephJC pushed to next wednesday, June 28th (for #UKKW2017)
Pablo Garcia @PabloGarciaMD
So many options available. The pharm companies are too involved something is not right. I will say "first, do no harm" for now. #nephjc
tukaram @tukaramj
Replication before application https://t.co/cHeV7Cb4kQ
FedUp @Dulce_Says
RT @kidney_boy: DKA in CANVAS: DKA in CANVAS: 10,142 people, 3.6 years, 18 cases of DKA, and 5 of them actually had type 1 DM. Not impressed. #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
there is an #askASN next week with @maximal_change and @renalpolitics et al June 27th #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Great chat! Thanks for the learning. Look for me to vomit this back up in Keynote form for the Michigan ACP in September #nephjc
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC Ouch! I can't convince you. But when risks are 2/1000 & y have a syst review of 10K pts,you might not find signal due to power alone #nephjc
ChristosArgyropoulos MD, PhD PharmanukerInChief @ChristosArgyrop
@NephJC @VladoPerkovic Good night! Maybe we need to do a follow up - too big of a paper to cover in 1 hr #nephjc Over and out from New Mexico
Vlado Perkovic @VladoPerkovic
@NephJC dont you mean less renal adverse events but NS?? #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @RossNesbit: @renalpolitics Feels like it to me. Within my purview to be the prescriber? Hard to say. But I'm very encouraged by them so far. #nephjc
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
@kidney_boy I would think little action on blood glucose in pts with low GFR but yes, maybe CV effects #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @VladoPerkovic: @NephJC @drjjw @FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change Post marketing surveillance uncontrolled therefore useful for rare SEs, but not for common outcomes #nephjc
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@VladoPerkovic @NephJC @drjjw @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change Completely agree. Post-marketing surveillance is good for hypothesis generation #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
@VladoPerkovic Oops - I stand corrected, less renal adverse events in Cana (despite osmotic diuresis, AKI not a concern) #NephJC
rob @renalpolitics
RT @NephJC: there is an #askASN next week with @maximal_change and @renalpolitics et al June 27th #nephjc
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
Great chat everyone, motivated to do some more reading. Thanks to all for your participation! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC @VladoPerkovic Good night! Maybe we need to do a follow up - too big of a paper to cover in 1 hr #nephjc Over and out from New Mexico
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
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Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC I think there could be something there. Just not convinced. Either way, I treat SGLT2i as a SADMANS drug because of work like yours #nephjc
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
Encouraging CV outcomes, time and Rx will show us the real story of adverse events. That's what keeps being a Physician interesting #nephjc
محذوف @milardport
RT @NephJC: Also, ~ 9% in Cana group had reduction in DM meds, hence the lines tend to converge with time (for HgbA1c) #nephjc
Sabrina Natarajan @ottawamarble
Thanks for the fun chat! Looking forward to getting some DKA data together to prove @drjjw wrong/right! #nephjc
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
The numbers: 461 Tweets. 57 Participants. 1,275,944 Impressions. June 20th 2017. More #NephJC 📊 here https://t.co/45fujqtsuf? https://t.co/8IOp91JpHl
Nephrology Journal Club @NephJC
RT @drjjw: @FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC I think there could be something there. Just not convinced. Either way, I treat SGLT2i as a SADMANS drug because of work like yours #nephjc
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC Knowing how skeptical u are of cohort studies, I'll take that as a compliment! lookn fwd to your skepticism of my next SGLT2paper ;) #nephjc
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @NephJC: The numbers: The numbers: 461 Tweets. 57 Participants. 1,275,944 Impressions. June 20th 2017. More #NephJC 📊 here https://t.co/45fujqtsuf? https://t.co/8IOp91JpHl
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @NephJC: @VladoPerkovic Oops - I stand corrected, less renal adverse events in Cana (despite osmotic diuresis, AKI not a concern) #NephJC
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC SADMANS #Nephjc https://t.co/CzP5rOpf7D
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
RT @drjjw: @FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC SADMANS #Nephjc https://t.co/CzP5rOpf7D
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
The numbers: 540 Tweets. 91 Participants. June 19th 2017. More #NephJC 📊 here https://t.co/TgbNWB15nS via @symplur
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
@FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC I'm a lowly nephrologist. You are a published @NEJM author. Ignore me. #Nephjc
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC Great chat all. The Nephro twitter presence is impressive. This was good fun #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: T2: T2: Ok - main outcomes Reduction in MACE (non-inferior and superior) Not in mortality so p values stop #NephJC https://t.co/MOqSmqwnAK
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RT @NephJC: T2: T2: lot of subgroup data Mostly interaction p values NS (incl CKD stage) except diuretic Beta-blocker use #NephJC https://t.co/uWWbzh0ygN
Derek Leong @Derek_Leong_RPh
RT @drjjw: @FralickMike @kidney_boy @Maximal_Change @NephJC SADMANS #Nephjc https://t.co/CzP5rOpf7D
Timothy Yau @Maximal_Change
@FralickMike @drjjw @kidney_boy @NephJC Thanks so much for joining, was great to hear your input! #nephJC
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RT @ChristosArgyrop: Personally more likely to prescribe SGLT2i on severe proteinuria despite RAASi (small subgroup of this study) #NephJC https://t.co/e5UqXAKLdS
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
That was utterly exhausting #nephjc
Dr. Jordan Weinstein @drjjw
Who mans wo/manning the @NephJC handle tonight? #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: OK - since this is #NephJC, lets see the renal outcomes a bit closely #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: How does the CV outcome compare with EMPAREG? Not bad - mostly overlapping #NephJC https://t.co/3F7pzNgujs
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RT @NephJC: And here's regression/progression of albuminuria (part of composite renal outcome) #NephJC https://t.co/n1xRVvOlUS
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RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC Two interpr: @NephJC Two interpr: 1) drugs works better in sicker pts with more severe CVD 2) it'ss the volume overload+RAAS activation you stupid 😉 #Nephjc
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RT @drjjw: @NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical And remember this was a lower risk group so harder to show reductions in events (think PEACE versus HOPE or EUROPA) #Nephjc
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RT @Nephro_Sparks: @NephJC those ACRs would NOT impress me... I get the difference but whoaa that is not much #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: And last: And last: composite renal outcome #NephJc Only 21 dialysis or renal death https://t.co/8ilIqA6Lyr
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @kidney_boy: The numbers: The numbers: 540 Tweets. 91 Participants. June 19th 2017. More #NephJC 📊 here https://t.co/TgbNWB15nS via @symplur
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RT @Nephro_Sparks: I guess I need to stop knocking the mouse studies showing barely anything and barely barely anything #nephjc
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RT @rheault_m: @NephJC I kind of have a philosophical problem with microalb->macroalb and no alb -> microalbuminuria being considered same outcome #NephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
The numbers: 567 Tweets. 92 Participants. June 19th 2017. More #NephJC 📊 here https://t.co/fi2IYkvfrU via @symplur
Michael Fralick @FralickMike
@drjjw @RSiemieniuk @kidney_boy @ottawamarble @Nephro_Sparks That's why we only looked at cases before the FDA warning and why we used an active comparator. but yes detection bias still possible#nephjc
Manisha Dassi @manishadassi
RT @AVATAROrg: Follow @AVATAROrg for the regular updates / LIVE Tweets AVATAR 2017 | 21-22 July, 2017 | The Lalit, Goa #NephAVATAR #SoMe #NephJC #AskRenal https://t.co/paAwPKwVRi
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RT @NephJC: Adverse events Started looking for DKA as RCT on & DSMB asked to look for amputation! #NephJC https://t.co/Csk7E6Djb8
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RT @NephJC: OK - time flying, lets quickly talk of adverse events #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: Good Q for @VladoPerkovic #nephjC https://t.co/6K1mardToe
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RT @ChristosArgyrop: @NephJC @georgeinstitute @george_clinical Seems the effect is established early - slope difference much less impressive #NephJC
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RT @NephJC: Did anyone see if RAS blockade use across trial follow up different? (would be unlikely since BP lower with Cana anyways, but...) #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: @Nephro_Sparks @RossNesbit right, see Joel's summary https://t.co/k69ARWpPrN #nephjc
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RT @Nephro_Sparks: @RossNesbit thought it was new incidence of MA/protein... not progression #NephJC #EmpaReg
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RT @NephJC: So here's infections: So here's infections: up as expected #NephJC https://t.co/JJKDlu2MET
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RT @NephJC: More on infections, osmotic diuresis #NephJC https://t.co/vEc3IkG08U
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RT @NephJC: And, drumroll: And, drumroll: the amputations Mostly toes, but also more major (consistent) #NephJC https://t.co/r4pnZOaiVq
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RT @ChristosArgyrop: @Maximal_Change @NephJC There may be a credible mechanisms - SGLT2i have differential effects on oxidative phosphorylation #NephJC
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RT @NephJC: And for amputation from Cana: And for amputation from Cana: not explained by PVD history, or other factors examined #NephJC https://t.co/MNOyFjDbhs
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RT @ChristosArgyrop: 1. Different time periods (lots of deprescribing of biphosphonates recently) 2. different doses #NephJC https://t.co/CWm7ayW9xu
Dr. Divya Bajpai 🇮🇳 @divyaa24
RT @edgarvlermamd: @Maximal_Change @ChristosArgyrop @NephJC What scientists 🔬 say in research papers vs. What they actually mean #NephJC 👉🏼 https://t.co/QPclG8Q4mq… via @io9 https://t.co/X7hlYtq8rk
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RT @NephJC: Important slide to put it all together Benefit + risk #NephJC https://t.co/LWPCFj21Eu
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RT @NephJC: @Nephro_Sparks see you later matt! thx for coming #nephjc
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RT @Nephro_Sparks: great chat all. I'm out. will catch rest on storify. love to see the passion 4 knowledge. pushing the envelope of science. #LoveIt #nephjc
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RT @RossNesbit: @NephJC @RossNesbit Well PVD could mean abnormal ABI, claudication. But if already amputated there's nothing left to cut. #nephjc
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RT @NephJC: Also, Cana: Also, Cana: More renal adverse events (though p NS) And more fractures too #NephJC https://t.co/cvjZjn0Hl6
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RT @ChristosArgyrop: @Maximal_Change @NephJC See these https://t.co/unLbXqvwDZ https://t.co/xv52kJXtaO #NephJC Ppl have experimented with antitumor activity based on these #NephJC
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RT @kidney_boy: @drjjw @FralickMike @Maximal_Change @NephJC Adverse events are too important to ignore. Need to look into this. #NephJC
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @ChristosArgyrop: @kidney_boy 1. About 40%-50% of DKD in modern era will be minimally proteinuric 2. RAASi work #NephJC https://t.co/OXt1VhmjRt (for 1st point)
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RT @NephJC: #NephJC lots of questions https://t.co/Pl0AGwqIqw
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RT @edgarvlermamd: @Maximal_Change @ChristosArgyrop @NephJC What scientists 🔬 say in research papers vs. What they actually mean #NephJC 👉🏼 https://t.co/QPclG8Q4mq… via @io9 https://t.co/X7hlYtq8rk
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RT @NephJC: Other pharmacokinetic differences between SGLT agents from https://t.co/nMhtVauHVi #NephJc https://t.co/HyMB9pa5r6
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