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UKMedLibs @ukmedlibs
Welcome to June's #ukmedlibs chat! Shall we introduce ourselves? I'm @Hollingtonn Outreach Librarian with @SASHLibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
Tom Roper here, Clinical Librarian at @BrightonSx_LKS Still finishing a chicken korma (home-made). May be a little quiet at first #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
Sam from - @HHLibService here for the evening (whilst enjoying the cooler evening air!) #ukmedlibs
Nikki Dettmar @runbrarian
@UKMedLibs @Hollingtonn @SASHLibs Friendly lurking wave from way across the pond in Seattle #ukmedlibs
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& @MedLibAssn Professional Competencies (freely available online) https://t.co/y4AaWYzHdr #ukmedlibs
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Tonight we will be discussing 2 professional development tools, @cilip PKSB for Health https://t.co/2lQRjCg7fi #ukmedlibs
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
I'm Natasha Howard, library manager @nelft_library and I'm also still on bedtime duty #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@runbrarian @UKMedLibs @Hollingtonn @SASHLibs Our #medlibs inspiration! #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@UKMedLibs I used PKSB in my recent (triumphant) appraisal #ukmedlibs
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RT @tomroper: @UKMedLibs I used PKSB in my recent (triumphant) appraisal #ukmedlibs
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RT @ilk21: #ukmedlibs https://t.co/Zt9TgQlroK
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RT @samanthaclare: I have to say that I have only glanced (and sorta filled in a bit) at the PKSB. Have not used to demonstrate anything!…
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 That's a good point - you definitely need to know your own strengths and limitations. #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
RT @ilk21: #ukmedlibs https://t.co/Zt9TgQlroK
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@Hollingtonn Better late than never! #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@tomroper @UKMedLibs how did it add to the usual appraisal paperwork? was it just that it was more appropriately focused? #ukmedlibs
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@ilk21 Yes, I was thinking of approaching my manager to look over mine & get her opinion #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@UKMedLibs interesting - could use it as a way of doing (sort of) 360 degree appraisal #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 if they are freely available (not sure that they are) then I don't see any reason why you couldn't use them! #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@tomroper before, during or after appraisal? #ukmedlibs was there enough preparation, or not enough discussion or follow up?
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RT @ilk21: @UKMedLibs interesting - could use it as a way of doing (sort of) 360 degree appraisal #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@tomroper spend more time on what? #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@samanthaclare part of the problem is that PKSB is not freely available #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@samanthaclare Preparation. I rattled through a lot of it #ukmedlibs
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RT @ilk21: @samanthaclare part of the problem is that PKSB is not freely available #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@UKMedLibs and if my team were cilip members I'd be very open to having that discussion with them, so good idea to be proactive #ukmedlibs
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@ilk21 @samanthaclare Do you think this would encourage more librarians to use the toolkit? #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@ilk21 Before, I think #ukmedlibs Requires you to think quite hard, and easy to speed up as you go through
HLG SIG @ciliphlg
#ukmedlibs Hi all sorry I am late. Just finished Pilates. I am Potenza HLG Comms Lead and LSM at @esthLISeducat
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 all staff regardless of @CILIPHLG membership that is #ukmedlibs
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@samanthaclare @ilk21 Our appraisals are highly structured already around Trust values etc. Not sure how we could marry them up #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@samanthaclare @UKMedLibs Well , the main appraisal paperwork is the generic NHS Trust bumf. PKSB for Health has advantage of professional focus. #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@nhhoward @ilk21 I wonder if appraisals are perhaps too broad though and don't necessarily show our skills? #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@tomroper @samanthaclare at least that shows you can still get something useful out of it even with a relatively superficial approach #ukmedlibs - proof of concept?
Rachel P @archelina
@nhhoward This was my initial thought too. Also not currently full cilip member... @ilk21 @samanthaclare #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@UKMedLibs @ilk21 I do - I believe that there is quite a large cohort of library staff that do not belong to CILIP. #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@samanthaclare @nhhoward what's the point of appraisals if they don't show skills developed/required? #ukmedlibs
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RT @samanthaclare: whoops - forgot the hashtag! #ukmedlibs https://t.co/jqjHvitksi
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RT @CILIPHLG: Q1. I used some of it for preparation for my appraisal too. Also used it for my staffs appraisal worked well…
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RT @samanthaclare: @UKMedLibs @ilk21 I do - I believe that there is quite a large cohort of library staff that do not belong to CILIP. #ukm
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@samanthaclare @UKMedLibs might need to reconsider selective membership of HLG, but not sure if that is sufficient to entitle access to PKSB #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @nhhoward they do, but to a point (generically!) Not used PKSB in appraisal myself, but wonder manager would get better picture of skills? #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@nhhoward @samanthaclare @ilk21 Could you use it to identify priority areas for development to come up with CPD plan? #ukmedlibs
Rachel P @archelina
@ilk21 Have seen little sign in any appraisal process of caring about my professionalism as librarian @nhhoward @samanthaclare #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @UKMedLibs yes I think you can just join the HLG bit of CILIP if not all of it. #ukmedlibs (a question for another time is why are you not a member?)
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@archelina @nhhoward @samanthaclare what is the point then? (but perhaps this is a rant to have outside this forum?) #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@Hollingtonn explain!? Is that due to breadth or something else? #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@Hollingtonn What would make it less daunting? #ukmedlibs
Rachel P @archelina
@ilk21 #ukmedlibs Well quite. I see possible use in identifying cpd needs, but feels like an add on.
Christian Lauersen @clauersen
@UKMedLibs Thanks! I get the calendar updated with future #ukmedlibs chats one way or the other
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@Hollingtonn is it worth considering it in bite-sized chunks - not expecting to do it all in one go? asking as one who's not worked through it #ukmedlibs
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RT @archelina: @ilk21 Have seen little sign in any appraisal process of caring about my professionalism as librarian @nhhoward @samanthacla
Sam @samanthaclare
an interesting idea - do you @BristleBoy ?? #ukmedlibs Something to think about for our CPD webex coming up. https://t.co/1qbmsawC0r
Holly Case @hollingtonn
RT @GoswamiLouise: @Hollingtonn What would make it less daunting? #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@UKMedLibs In the past in KSS we have used individual development plans that managers provided to identify CPD sessions. Haven't used PKSB #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @Hollingtonn yes I find it rather a lot to try and do it one go - which is why I have neglected it! #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@ilk21 @Hollingtonn *Feverishly hunts hard drive for own copy* I tend to think you need to keep the whole picture in mind #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@Hollingtonn yes I think the trouble is that such documents necessarily try to be a catch-all to suit everybody & in doing so, they don't! #ukmedlibs
Holly Case @hollingtonn
@GoswamiLouise Smaller PKSB for specialist roles? IE. Outreach/Clinical Librarian. Then Library Manager PKSB would be something to aspire to? #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@samanthaclare @BristleBoy certainly helpful to map against competencies/skill sets #ukmedlibs - didn't we do that with the agenda for change thing? (memory fail...)
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RT @ilk21: @Hollingtonn is it worth considering it in bite-sized chunks - not expecting to do it all in one go? asking as one…
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RT @GoswamiLouise: @UKMedLibs In the past in KSS we have used individual development plans that managers provided to identify CPD sess…
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RT @Hollingtonn: @GoswamiLouise Smaller PKSB for specialist roles? IE. Outreach/Clinical Librarian. Then Library Manager PKSB would…
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RT @GoswamiLouise: Also using output of recent training needs analysis to inform CPD programme. #ukmedlibs
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@ilk21 @archelina @samanthaclare Yes, it might be an add on. Also to help frame discussions with my manager (who is not a librarian) #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@UKMedLibs I have a feeling that we are still concentrating on the PKSB in this conversation!! I haven't looked at the MLA stuff yet. #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@samanthaclare @Hollingtonn isn't that why there was/is a tailored health PKSB - to achieve exactly the tailored approach for clinical librarians etc? #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@nhhoward @ilk21 @archelina I agree - it is an adjunct to the organisational process. #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise A version designed for Clinical Librarians was sent to me and other CLs for comment, way back. I think for testing #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@Hollingtonn Interesting suggestion. Can feed that back to workforce group. #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise And I think it's flexible enough, like its parent document. Works for everyone from library asst to CEO of BL. Professional unity #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @Hollingtonn I believe so, but roles still very "tailored" and the PKSB doesn't necessarily reflect that. But don't need to fill it all in! #ukmedlibs
Alan Fricker @alanfricker
@ilk21 @UKMedLibs I thought there was access to PKSB for health via https://t.co/LaMpsSXsub site? Not as good as interactive tool in vle #ukmedlibs
HLG SIG @ciliphlg
Great idea we @CILIPHLG are using national TNA results to plan CPD events 4 members hopefully it marries up w members CPD needs #ukmedlibs https://t.co/EdSkHRPdMw
Holly Case @hollingtonn
@GoswamiLouise I would think it would be helpful for those applying from outside the NHS too, see if their skill equate #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
RT @ilk21: https://t.co/tiwTC3M9BK has a great introduction to the MLA competencies by Kate Kelly of RCSI #ukmedlibs
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RT @tomroper: @Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise A version designed for Clinical Librarians was sent to me and other CLs for comment, wa…
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RT @ilk21: https://t.co/tiwTC3M9BK has a great introduction to the MLA competencies by Kate Kelly of RCSI #ukmedlibs
HLG SIG @ciliphlg
RT @ilk21: https://t.co/tiwTC3M9BK has a great introduction to the MLA competencies by Kate Kelly of RCSI #ukmedlibs
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RT @alanfricker: @ilk21 @UKMedLibs I thought there was access to PKSB for health via https://t.co/LaMpsSXsub site? Not as good as in…
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@alanfricker @ilk21 @UKMedLibs Only available if you are a CILIP member #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
RT @Hollingtonn: @GoswamiLouise I would think it would be helpful for those applying from outside the NHS too, see if their skill equate #u
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RT @GoswamiLouise: @alanfricker @ilk21 @UKMedLibs Only available if you are a CILIP member #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise absolutely: how can we entice/lure people from outside health if they can't see that their skills would transfer easily #ukmedlibs
Holly Case @hollingtonn
@samanthaclare @ilk21 I need to remember this! The cataloging section was making me sweat! #ukmedlibs
Holly Case @hollingtonn
RT @ilk21: @Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise absolutely: how can we entice/lure people from outside health if they can't see that t…
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RT @Hollingtonn: @GoswamiLouise I would think it would be helpful for those applying from outside the NHS too, see if their skill equate #u
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RT @ilk21: @Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise absolutely: how can we entice/lure people from outside health if they can't see that t…
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise Yes! I've been told our jds & perdon specs are very intimidating to those on the outside, even to very experienced people #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@GoswamiLouise @alanfricker @UKMedLibs interesting, given average NHS salary and cost of CILIP membership... #ukmedlibs couldn't it be made available via ATHENS to LKS staff?
KP @agentk23
RT @UKMedLibs: & @MedLibAssn Professional Competencies (freely available online) https://t.co/y4AaWYzHdr #ukmedlibs
Holly Case @hollingtonn
@nhhoward @GoswamiLouise Very intimidating! Not only libraries, but all NHS I think #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@Hollingtonn @ilk21 I think that the best thing is for you to acknowledge that it happens and perhaps show that you've job shadowed, but that's it! #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@nhhoward @Hollingtonn It's all to do with word smithing to get the roles on the bands they ought to be on!! #ukmedlibs
Holly Case @hollingtonn
@nhhoward @GoswamiLouise I had to speak to my (now) manager just to make sure I wasn't being absolutely ridiculous in applying for the role I do now #ukmedlibs
Rachel P @archelina
@nhhoward I did not understand anything about my job when I applied for it (from outside nhs/health) @GoswamiLouise @Hollingtonn #ukmedlibs
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RT @nhhoward: @Hollingtonn @GoswamiLouise Yes! I've been told our jds & perdon specs are very intimidating to those on the outsid…
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @GoswamiLouise @alanfricker @UKMedLibs I think that's a great idea. We shouldn't be selective in developing staff. #ukmedlibs
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
@ilk21 @alanfricker @UKMedLibs It's to with Intellectual Property of the PKSB and that resides with CILIP. #ukmedlibs
Rachel P @archelina
@UKMedLibs Possibly. Assumes CILIP membership as baseline for professionalism though, which at the time I struggled with #ukmedlibs
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RT @archelina: @UKMedLibs Possibly. Assumes CILIP membership as baseline for professionalism though, which at the time I struggled with #uk
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@UKMedLibs It would be a really interesting exercise to take a "sample" public/school/whatever librarian and map their skills across #ukmedlibs
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RT @alanfricker: Sorry #ukmedlibs dipped in briefly but need to get away from screen. I used PKSB ahead of appraisal and it was very helpfu…
Louise Goswami @goswamilouise
RT @ilk21: @UKMedLibs It would be a really interesting exercise to take a "sample" public/school/whatever librarian and map th…
Tom Roper @tomroper
@archelina @nhhoward @GoswamiLouise @Hollingtonn In a sense, you never do until you start doing it. #ukmedlibs If @BrightonSx_LKS mapped jd and person spec to PKSB, would it have helped?
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@ilk21 I think it would show how multi skilled librarians are across the sectors #ukmedlibs
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@UKMedLibs Q4 it gave me a bit of inspiration for CPD - v useful when you've been in the same job for some time #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @UKMedLibs in theory all library staff should be able to work in all sectors although knowledge and experience of sector does help. #ukmedlibs
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RT @nhhoward: @UKMedLibs Q4 it gave me a bit of inspiration for CPD - v useful when you've been in the same job for some time #ukmedlibs
Rachel P @archelina
@tomroper Not really! @BrightonSx_LKS @GoswamiLouise @Hollingtonn @nhhoward #ukmedlibs
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RT @samanthaclare: @ilk21 @UKMedLibs in theory all library staff should be able to work in all sectors although knowledge and experien…
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@archelina @UKMedLibs there lies the problem: cost, perceived relevance, etc keeps people from the tools that could actually prove the usefulness cilip #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@samanthaclare @ilk21 @UKMedLibs Absolutely. Looking at the brilliant careers of many #ukmedlibs a lot of us have moved from sector to sector
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RT @CILIPHLG: #ukmedlibs Q4. Useful to have a framework that is focussed on health although it is a bit rigid in areas.
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RT @tomroper: Q5 #ukmedlibs I think both manager and I felt that some of the illustrative examples needed more work
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RT @tomroper: @samanthaclare @ilk21 @UKMedLibs Absolutely. Looking at the brilliant careers of many #ukmedlibs a lot of us have m…
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@Hollingtonn interesting - I've been wondering how to test at interview for ability to do outreach successfully #ukmedlibs
Seelhoff snippets @snippetsk
@UKMedLibs Hi there, recently returned to profession & new to health, have dipped into MLA & CILIP tools briefly, v useful in this respect #ukmedlibs
Tom Roper @tomroper
@ilk21 @Hollingtonn Simulation? #ukmedlibs
Sam @samanthaclare
@ilk21 @Hollingtonn hmm, I'm hoping to interview for outreach staff soon - it's a difficult one! Got any ideas!? #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@tomroper @Hollingtonn I'll look forward to your presentation at the next eahil! #ukmedlibs
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@tomroper @ilk21 @Hollingtonn Yes, that would be a great piece of work! #ukmedlibs
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RT @CILIPHLG: #ukmedlibs Q5. No. I feel that the creativity and the way that different LKS professionals work can't be covered in a framewo…
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@samanthaclare @Hollingtonn perhaps that's the next #ukmedlibs discussion topic? interviewing to get the "unteachable" skills you need into the team
Holly Case @hollingtonn
RT @samanthaclare: @ilk21 @Hollingtonn hmm, I'm hoping to interview for outreach staff soon - it's a difficult one! Got any ideas!? #ukmedl
Sam @samanthaclare
@alisonday3 I don't think I sent a reminder out to lib-south today - sorry! #ukmedlibs
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RT @alisonday3: I've used PKSB sections on the leadership prog and every year for revalidation of CILIP. I fin it a helpful framework #ukme
Sam @samanthaclare
@Hollingtonn @ilk21 I've just made a note of that to myself! Thanks. #ukmedlibs
Isla Kuhn @ilk21
@tomroper @samanthaclare @Hollingtonn @alisonday3 might need to get myself to Leicester! #ukmedlibs
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RT @alisonday3: Should also mention a vested interest as was on the TAF that developed the PKSB for health now working on role specific pro…
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RT @alisonday3: I've used PKSB sections on the leadership prog and every year for revalidation of CILIP. I fin it a helpful framework #ukme
Tom Roper @tomroper
@ilk21 @samanthaclare @Hollingtonn @alisonday3 Booking open at https://t.co/gxoSyeXO4p #ukmedlibs #ICLC17
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RT @CILIPHLG: Ditto having just the leadership part of the PKSB was useful and helped to focus the mind on particular development…
Natasha Howard @nhhoward
@samanthaclare @Hollingtonn @ilk21 Ask them when they understand the term."outreach" to mean - answers will be revealing #ukmedlibs
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RT @tomroper: @ilk21 @samanthaclare @Hollingtonn @alisonday3 Booking open at https://t.co/gxoSyeXO4p #ukmedlibs #ICLC17
HLG SIG @ciliphlg
RT @tomroper: @ilk21 @samanthaclare @Hollingtonn @alisonday3 Booking open at https://t.co/gxoSyeXO4p #ukmedlibs #ICLC17
Alison Day @alisonday3
@samanthaclare We have 12 roles inc clinical, knowledge manager, patient, outreach, public health, lib manager, tel specialist #ukmedlibs
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RT @alisonday3: @samanthaclare We have 12 roles inc clinical, knowledge manager, patient, outreach, public health, lib manager, tel special…
HLG SIG @ciliphlg
RT @alisonday3: @samanthaclare We have 12 roles inc clinical, knowledge manager, patient, outreach, public health, lib manager, tel special…
Sam @samanthaclare
@UKMedLibs was a very good chat indeed even if we failed to stick to your questions! (sorry!) #ukmedlibs
Rachel P @archelina
Night all! Thanks @UKMedLibs #ukmedlibs
pamela geldenhuys @prgelden
RT @alisonday3: Thank you for chat and sorry to join so late watch KfH blog for when role specific resources are ready would like some feed…
Talk_Leicester @talk_leicester
RT @ilk21: @tomroper @samanthaclare @Hollingtonn @alisonday3 might need to get myself to Leicester! #ukmedlibs
Alison Day @alisonday3
RT @nhhoward: @UKMedLibs Q4 it gave me a bit of inspiration for CPD - v useful when you've been in the same job for some time #ukmedlibs
Alison Day @alisonday3
Great comments about @cilip PKSB for health https://t.co/HPfCyf4zbb
Alison Day @alisonday3
Another positive use of @cilip PKSB https://t.co/TVMAfpCGod

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