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Welcome to tonight’s discussion on the role of cystatin C in prediction #NephJC https://t.co/X7XiSHU5mG
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@AravindCheruku1 Me too #nephjc
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Your host tonight is @hswapnil from @OttawaRenal, so better make sure you have read the supplement https://t.co/NCNIyen6fG #NephJC
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Please introduce yourself & declare any conflicts of interest (COIs) & Don’t forget the hashtag, it’s #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@AravindCheruku1 Me too #nephJC
Kenar Jhaveri @kdjhaveri
RT @NephJC: Your host tonight is @hswapnil from @OttawaRenal, so better make sure you have read the supplement https://t.co/NCNIyen6fG #NephJC
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@NephJC James Novak, @HFNephrology TPD, NSMC intern 2018, no COI. #NephJC
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
Swapnil Hiremath from @OttawasDofM There’s supplementary tables and extended tables - make sure you read all of them! #NephJc Pic from @rolandbastphoto https://t.co/oGB0MNTKMI
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
Hi this is Silvi from UCincy no coi #nephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
Matt Sparks, Durham NC, reporting for duty. no COI #NephJC
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PSA: Try the native client in browser (https://t.co/LkGCHacSvg) or Tweetdeck (Tchat will truncate your tweets at 140 characters) #NephJC
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
#nephjc Aravind Cherukuri from Pittsburgh. No COI, but will be in the group of creatinine haters!
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Hiya Matt, Kevin, Silvi, Aravind, James! #nephjc
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Edgar Lerma, Chicago-based Nephrologist #NephJC Photo Credit: Barry Butler Photography 📸 https://t.co/eWMVI6KFon https://t.co/VawGmmxJ3y
Nathaniel Reisinger @nephrothaniel
Nathaniel nephrologist #NephJC
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New to #NephJC? Check out this helpful tipsheet from @Stones_ https://t.co/hTTxDX14O6
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
Dallas Nephrologist. Glad to be back after a few weeks of missing. No COI. #NephJC
Michelle Starr MD MPH @mcstarr1
Michelle Starr, peds neph at @IUPedsKidney. No COI, except I use a lot of cystatin C in my pediatric and neonatal patients! #nephjc
Angel Cesar Ortiz @AngelCesarOrtiz
Hi everyone! Angel Ortiz from Mexico. No COI #NephJC
Aisha Shaikh @aishaikh
Aisha Shaikh from NYC - no COI #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: I think nephrology's genuflection to GFR is a big problem. GFR is only one dimension of the multidimensional disease of CKD. #NephJC
Jochen Reiser MD PhD @JochenReiser
RT @edgarvlermamd: Edgar Lerma, Chicago-based Nephrologist #NephJC Photo Credit: Barry Butler Photography 📸 https://t.co/eWMVI6KFon https://t.co/VawGmmxJ3y
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Hi Gates, Nathaniel, Angel, Aisha and Edgar - and Michelle Starr #nephjc
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
#nephjc @gratefull080504 : checking in from Chicago COI: @eGenesisBio @GileadSciences Bayer, Chiesi @OtsukaUS @TapCloudHealth Excited about the topic!
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Tonight, we are discussing the observational study in @NatureMedicine on cystatin C Link https://t.co/HTeZ1AF7FZ #NephJC
Jefferson L. Triozzi, M.D. @nepherson
@NephJC Jefferson, internal medicine resident at Baylor COM in Houston, TX, no COI #nephjc
KatieOverV @KatieKwonMD
Katie Kwon, private practice in SW Michigan. Lurking tonight. #NephJC
Gerren Hobby @ghobby
Gerren Hobby joining. Private practice nephrologist. No COI. #NephJC
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Abbreviations: CVD: cardiovascular disease uACR = urinary albumin:creatinine ratio eGFR = estimated GFR Cr = creatinine Cys = cystatin C #NephJC
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
@NephJC Michelle here lurking. #NephJC Trying not to freeze to death. https://t.co/Q9OLlnNJ8Z
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Christian, Gerren, Joel, Katie, Jefferson and Michelle R - whew! #nephjc
Dhwanil Patel @iheartkidneys
Dhwanil, renal fellow. COI, what does that even mean? ;) #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@Nephro_Sparks Hi @Nephro_Sparks ! Great selection for tonight's #nephjc chat.
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@kidney_boy Yeah, but it’s hard to quantify the other things...#NephJC
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Haven’t read the paper? Check out the excellent summary from @Stones_ https://t.co/Z4LTsfdV5v #NephJC
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
GFR by differing measures, albuminuria and prediction of CVD, mortality and ESKD ca. 2019 from @NatureMedicine #VisualAbstract by @krithicism #NephJC #Nephpearls 👉🏼 https://t.co/ws6VUnmU9I https://t.co/9rnJRkn6ZM
Krithika Mohan @krithicism
Hi this is Krithika, nephrology fellow from India, no COI #NephJC
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T0 warmup How many of you already use Cystatin. C? #NephJC twitter poll
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
Hi everyone!, Marvin González. From Nicaragua. No COI. This a very important topic for nephrologist and epidemiologist. #NephJC
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
@NephJC #nephjc it takes very little for me to use it
Ian McCoy, MD, MS @NephroNinja
Ian McCoy, Palo Alto. No COI. #nephjc
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And the #VisualAbstract from @krithicism #NephJC https://t.co/8wAXnpuap3
Anubha Mutneja @AnubhaMutneja
Hi this is Anubha Mutneja from WashU No COI #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@JamesNovakNeph That makes nephrology sound like the drunk looking for his keys. #NephJC https://t.co/YEbrcdA67B
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Hi Marvin, Anubha, Dhwanil, Ian, Krithika! #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
And the designer of tonight's #VisualAbstract #NephJC
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Factors that limit the use of eGFR from creatinine and cystatin C #Nephpearls #NephSecrets #NephJC https://t.co/nahNyxyKDd
Anitha Vijayan @VijayanMD
Anitha Vijayan from Wash U. No COI mostly lurking tonight #NephJC
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follow up T0 if you use cys C in specific situations, when are these? #NephJC
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RT @kidney_boy: And the designer of tonight's #VisualAbstract #NephJC
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@NephJC I find cystatin C useful to confirm good kidney function in someone whose creatinine is suspiciously high (high muscle mass, creatinine efflux inhibitors, etc.). Otherwise, little additional clinical utility. #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Oh, I guess I do have relevant COI. #NephJC
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vote in this twitter poll https://t.co/HtXtBiDsma #nephjc
Ian McCoy, MD, MS @NephroNinja
Anyone know the cost different between cystatin C and creatinine measurement? Can cystatin C be measured on the same equipment? #nephjc
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Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
The only time I see cystatin C is when a patient comes to me for a second opinion and brings it with them. Just not part of what I do. #NephJC
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Did you know that @NICEComms recommends use of cystatin C for confirmation of CKD diagnosis? (I did not) #NephJC DOes @nkf have any position on this? Other places?
Gustavo Guevara Nolivos. @gpguevara_nefro
@NephJC Hi, I'm Gustavo Guevara, nephrologist from Ecuador. no COI #nephjc
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@NephroNinja Disadvantage of cystatin C? Cost (currently 10x creatinine per NICE in UK atleast) #NephJC
Jay R. Seltzer @jrseltzer
Jay Seltzer, St. Louis, no COI, lurking while working on EPIC notes... #NephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@JamesNovakNeph @NephJC I have used only a few times and they are as James describes #NephJC
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Theoretical advantage of cystatin C over creatinine: not affected by muscle mass )so not by race/ethnicity); freely filtered, not secreted #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
Indeed a great summary of @Stones__ #NEPHJC
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RT @NephJC: T0 warmup How many of you already use Cystatin. C? #NephJC twitter poll
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
@NephJC We are routinely using it for gfr calculation for donor evaluation and for liver kidney transplant candidates. #nephJC
Edgar V. Lerma 🇵🇭 @edgarvlermamd
Adding cystatin C to the combination of creatinine and ACR measures, improved the predictive accuracy for all-cause mortality and ESKD ca. 2011 from @Peralta_KHRC @KHRC_research @JAMA_current #Nephpearls #NephJC 👉🏼 https://t.co/VywTCve2DR https://t.co/gP1JLdr4PL
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@kidney_boy I don’t have a pithy comic, just a pithy aphorism: “When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a...creatinine-based eGFR determination.” #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@JamesNovakNeph @NephJC I run into those situations and I use a 24-hour CrCl to control for creatinine production (up or down) #NephJC
Michelle Starr MD MPH @mcstarr1
@NephJC I use a lot in certain pediatric populations - ex neonates, those with abnormal muscle mass (CF, chronic disease) #nephjc
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
@NephJC I have used creatinine and Cystatin C in my cohort study. #NephJC https://t.co/1Snepm8I9C https://t.co/1Snepm8I9C
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@gpguevara_neph welcome Gustavo! #NephJC
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@jrseltzer Hi Jay - important to keep clicking those boxes on @EPICEMRparody ! #NephJC
Nathaniel Reisinger @nephrothaniel
RT @edgarvlermamd: Factors that limit the use of eGFR from creatinine and cystatin C #Nephpearls #NephSecrets #NephJC https://t.co/nahNyxyKDd
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @mcstarr1: @NephJC I use a lot in certain pediatric populations - ex neonates, those with abnormal muscle mass (CF, chronic disease) #nephjc
Krithika Mohan @krithicism
RT @edgarvlermamd: Adding cystatin C to the combination of creatinine and ACR measures, improved the predictive accuracy for all-cause mortality and ESKD ca. 2011 from @Peralta_KHRC @KHRC_research @JAMA_current #Nephpearls #NephJC 👉🏼 https://t.co/VywTCve2DR https://t.co/gP1JLdr4PL
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@kidney_boy @NephJC I do those, too, but am often left wondering about the completeness of the collection. Normalizing the collection to the mass of creatinine has a large margin of error. #NephJC
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Great start. Moving on to T1 and methods in a few minutes. (searching for methods right now) #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
On my next appointment with my transplant nephrologist I will ask about the role of #cystatinc post-kidney transplant Seems like there is a role considering the CVD risk #nephJC
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RT @JamesNovakNeph: @kidney_boy @NephJC I do those, too, but am often left wondering about the completeness of the collection. Normalizing the collection to the mass of creatinine has a large margin of error. #NephJC
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RT @MarvinGonzlez16: @NephJC I have used creatinine and Cystatin C in my cohort study. #NephJC https://t.co/1Snepm8I9C https://t.co/1Snepm8I9C
Gates Colbert, MD @DoctorGates
@NephJC Yes we need a better marker than muscle mass! I had a recent patient with AKI. BUN 140, Cr 1.0 mg/dL. He had ALS and no muscle mass. Likely Cr should be 10.0 mg/dL #NephJC
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RT @silvishah: @NephJC We are routinely using it for gfr calculation for donor evaluation and for liver kidney transplant candidates. #nephJC
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@silvishah find it better than measured GFR? #NephJC
Michelle Starr MD MPH @mcstarr1
@NephJC Growing evidence in pediatric CKD shows it may be more accurate estimation of eGFR so use is growing #nephjc https://t.co/IUbSkZLem2
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T1: Method section is buried in small print at the end of the article. Let’s boo @NatureMedicine for this first #NephJC https://t.co/B3LHxceSc8
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
@NephJC and seen lot of discrepancy with mdrd, 24 hour creatinine clearance. and ckd-epi. Cystatin c has been superior to those #nephjc
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @mcstarr1: @NephJC Growing evidence in pediatric CKD shows it may be more accurate estimation of eGFR so use is growing #nephjc https://t.co/IUbSkZLem2
Edward Carey @etcarey2
RT @kidney_boy: Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: I think nephrology's genuflection to GFR is a big problem. GFR is only one dimension of the multidimensional disease of CKD. #NephJC
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RT @silvishah: @NephJC and seen lot of discrepancy with mdrd, 24 hour creatinine clearance. and ckd-epi. Cystatin c has been superior to those #nephjc
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RT @DoctorGates: @NephJC Yes we need a better marker than muscle mass! I had a recent patient with AKI. BUN 140, Cr 1.0 mg/dL. He had ALS and no muscle mass. Likely Cr should be 10.0 mg/dL #NephJC
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@jbda19 Hey Justin! #NephJC
Ryan Mullane @rmullane7
RT @edgarvlermamd: Factors that limit the use of eGFR from creatinine and cystatin C #Nephpearls #NephSecrets #NephJC https://t.co/nahNyxyKDd
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@DoctorGates @NephJC That would be a great clinical scenario to use cystatin C. But, these situations are uncommon. #NephJC
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T1 Methods: this study, like many others used the @UK_Biobank which seems like an awesome resource - data incl blood samples from 500,000 UK individuals #NephJC
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @NephJC: T1: T1: Method section is buried in small print at the end of the article. Let’s boo @NatureMedicine for this first #NephJC https://t.co/B3LHxceSc8
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
@NephJC Yes. It’s superior and accurate than that. #nephJC
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T1: They excluded individuals with no blood samples, or with prior CV disease, GFR < 15 or on dialysis #NephJC
Silvi Shah, MD, MS @silvishah
@DoctorGates @NephJC Cystatin C is the way to go #nephJC
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Exposure was eGFR estimated by 3 different ways and albuminuria #NephJC
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eGFR by eGFR-cr, eGFR-cys and eGFR-cr-cys; links to all formulae at many places incl @NKF website here https://t.co/FJZxhqUmNV #NephJC
Ian McCoy, MD, MS @NephroNinja
@silvishah @NephJC I would think cheaper and easier to get as well. #nephjc
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Exposure was categorized by CKD stages ≥90, 60–89, 45–59, 30–44, 15–30. Note 15-30 was reference (so lower hazards with higher GFR expected) #NephJC
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@SAHusainMD @NephroNinja Hey Syed! Welcome back to #NephJC
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Outcome: mortality, non fatal & fatal CVD events and incident ESKD (all ICD10 codes) Follow up till any one event or end of follow up (so not recurrent event analysis) #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@silvishah @NephJC @silvishah : To confirm you have found #cyststinc to be 24 hour urine collection? #nephjc
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
@silvishah @NephJC Totally agree with you @silvishah. The CKD-EPI equation performed better than the MDRD equation, especially at higher GFR, with less bias and greater accuracy. #NephJC @CistaNicaragua
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@jbda19 @NephJC Cystatin C is a send-out for us. #NephJC
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They used @f2harrell c-statistic https://t.co/RnACEO0vq0 to see if eGFR (& uACR) by any of these criteria improved prediction compared to usual CV rsik factors #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
T0 Does anyone use #cystatin c in kidney transplant recipients? If so , where? #nephJC
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Some more fun analysis done - which we will discuss in results (NRI, discordant analysis) #NephJC
Divya Kondapi @divya_kondapi
RT @kidney_boy: The only time I see cystatin C is when a patient comes to me for a second opinion and brings it with them. Just not part of what I do. #NephJC
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RT @gratefull080504: T0 Does anyone use #cystatin c in kidney transplant recipients? If so , where? #nephJC
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Funding for study from Chest, Heart and Stroke Association Scotland + @jennifer_s_lees has funding from @Kidney_Research & @theBHF #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
To clarify greater than 24 hour urine #nephJC
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Any other questions about methods? Not that I could answer them! #NephJC save them up for @jennifer_s_lees
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
Lurking #NephJC COI - ancient (>5yr old) research on pCysC and uCysC in ICU context. All eGFR are poor just some are poorer than others
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The authors are @jennifer_s_lees @DrClaireEWelsh and #BlazerGuru @DrPaddyMark who are all probably asleep now but let’s get their notifications crazy for when they wake up #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@Nephro_Sparks What would the right clinical scenario be? #nephJC
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@kiwiskiNZ Hey John - hope you can comment on the results/analysis (NRI c-stats etc) later - thanks #NephJC
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already 22 minutes past the hour! T2: Results coming up. Lots of data - we may not get through all of it #NephJC
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The authors didn’t include a proper figure 1, so we made it up - see #NephJC
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The authors didn’t include a proper figure 1, so we made it up - see #NephJC sorry see this https://t.co/YTzguYMSkt
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@Nephro_Sparks @NatureMedicine good man! #NephJC
Mario Funes, MD @MarioFunesMD
Mario Funes. Future @StanfordNeph fellow. Just lurking as I'm still admitting tonight. No COI. #NSMC intern 2019. #NephJC
Krithika Mohan @krithicism
RT @NephJC: The authors didn’t include a proper figure 1, so we made it up - see #NephJC sorry see this https://t.co/YTzguYMSkt
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So of ~ 500,000, about 400,000 made it in. Looks pretty OK to me..#nephjc
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@Nephro_Sparks @DoctorGates @NephJC The most cost-effective test is to compare the creatinine to a previous baseline. Was it 0.1 or 1.0 mg/dL 3 months ago? If the creatinine is unchanged, then it’s not AKI, just azotemia. #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
#nephjc. I think it is noteworthy that NICE has approved the use of #cystatinc in CKD They clearly must see the value in prevention
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
Endorse #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@SAHusainMD @silvishah @NephJC How often is measured GFR used in practice ? #nephJC
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Now lets look at table 1: variables by eGFR (by creatinine) category. Lower eGFR = older men with diabetes, on BP meds, statins, higher ACR, lower DBP. #NephJC https://t.co/uTHh7eR8FI
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@gratefull080504 @SAHusainMD @silvishah usually at the margin- for critical decisions at threshold Otherwise in CKD 35 or 37 doesn't matter; but for kidney donation, 75 or 80 might matter? #NephJC
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@SAHusainMD @silvishah @NephJC Creatinine and cystatin C are both used to estimate GFR, so would not be as accurate as direct measurement. No one uses the gold standard for GFR measurement, inulin clearance, in clinical practice. #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@DocRockne No, it helps, but I think eGFR assessment is way overblown. How does a difference in eGFR of 10-15% at the high range effect therapy? #NephJC
Aisha Shaikh @aishaikh
@DoctorGates @NephJC Oops the current link #nephjc https://t.co/cr3IIY5T9E
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RT @kidney_boy: @DocRockne No, it helps, but I think eGFR assessment is way overblown. How does a difference in eGFR of 10-15% at the high range effect therapy? #NephJC
Michelle Rheault @rheault_m
RT @edgarvlermamd: Factors that limit the use of eGFR from creatinine and cystatin C #Nephpearls #NephSecrets #NephJC https://t.co/nahNyxyKDd
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Table 1 variants by eGFRcys and eGFRcys-Cr are supp tables S1 and S2 #NephJC https://t.co/O2coYlLPQq
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@kidney_boy @DocRockne Only to determine kidney donation eligibility. @silvishah #NephJC
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Bottom of Table 1 (and tables S1, S2) also shows you the outcomes by eGFR categories, unadjusted. SO you can see lower eGFR = more badness, as expected #NephJC https://t.co/ki8Xq7vc2f
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@SAHusainMD @JamesNovakNeph @silvishah @NephJC Can’t wait to see NIC kidney FITC Sinestrin used more and avoid these equations etc #NephJC
Shubharthi Kar, MD, FISN @shubharthikar
Shubharthi Kar from Sylhet Bangladesh. No COI.#NephJC
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But these are sicker people (eg older, DM etc). DOes adding GFR add anything to the prediction? Let’s see in tables 2 - 4 #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@JamesNovakNeph @DocRockne @silvishah And how evidence based is that? #NephJC Those criteria always felt a bit arbitrary to me.
Aisha Shaikh @aishaikh
@SAHusainMD @JamesNovakNeph @silvishah @NephJC -Unfortunately a lot of places don't have the ability to do iothalamate clearance. -On the other hand, when I was a fellow at Mayo Clinic almost every patient used to get an iothalamate clearance #NephJC
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
@NephJC #nephjc this was exactly my concern. Moreover what is the real world utility of improving the c statistic from 0.74 to 0.76 or there abouts?
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
RT @aishaikh: @SAHusainMD @JamesNovakNeph @silvishah @NephJC -Unfortunately a lot of places don't have the ability to do iothalamate clearance. -On the other hand, when I was a fellow at Mayo Clinic almost every patient used to get an iothalamate clearance #NephJC
Swapnil Hiremath @hswapnil@bsky.social @hswapnil
@shubharthikar Hey Shubarthi! Good morning - what time there? #NephJC
Airawat ऐरावत @Renaltubules
Ashwasena. From Himalays. Thinking about coi. #NephJC
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In table 2: remember GFR 15-30 is reference, so lower HR = more ‘significant’ For all cause mortality, eGFRCr is kinda meh (95% CI 0.96 - 1) but eGFRcys really shines for all outcomes #NephJC https://t.co/eo1qIHQxpD
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@aishaikh @SAHusainMD @JamesNovakNeph @silvishah @NephJC For routine clinical practice? #nephjc
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
But remember this paper is about grouping a TON of patients and predicting RISK not looking at accuracy of GFR #NephJC
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
@CristhianMuM @NephroNinja We have seen that if you have serial measurements of SCr from the same patient or subject. This is good enough to eGFR because within-person variation is less. I mention this because we compared eGFRcr and eGFRCys and we have not seen difference between them. #NephJC #JASN
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
@NephJC #nephjc is it not apparant that atherosclerotic risk factors predict yes outcomes with a c statistic of more than 7 with a very small change by adding cystatin based assessment
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QFT Matt! #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
RT @AravindCheruku1: @NephJC #nephjc this was exactly my concern. Moreover what is the real world utility of improving the c statistic from 0.74 to 0.76 or there abouts?
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@aishaikh @SAHusainMD @silvishah @NephJC Why? #NephJC
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Table 3 is NRI = net reclassification improvement for CV endpoints. Again as you can see, eGFRCr doesn’t add much to traditional atherosclerotic risk factors. eGFRCys does #NephJC https://t.co/8LhwsnE9Tz
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@kidney_boy @DocRockne @silvishah Me too (sotto voce). #NephJC
Tiffany Caza @Tiff_Caza
Nice summary of cystatin C in cardiovascular risk assessment by @Stones__ #NephJC https://t.co/Fcl8py4hQE
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@JamesNovakNeph @aishaikh @SAHusainMD @silvishah is it just institutional culture? We do nuclear GFR for all donors; our neighbour @CHEOhospital does cystatin C for *everyone* #NephJC
Jim Myers @kidneystories
RT @gratefull080504: #nephjc. I think it is noteworthy that NICE has approved the use of #cystatinc in CKD They clearly must see the value in prevention
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Figure 3 is the (famous) @f2harrell c-statistics. Making it more obvious how much eGFRCys makes a difference #NephJC https://t.co/5x1qNft3r0
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
Correct @NephJC Isn’t the objective of this study to address the independent risk associated with CKD + thus determine the role of cystatinc? #nephJC
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we have heard CKD is a risk factor for CV outcomes But when adjusted for known CV risk factors, eGFRCr here didn't do as much for all cause mortality as eGFRCys did does it matter? #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@Tiff_Caza @Stones__ Very nice summary by @Stones__ #nephJC
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
@NephJC #NephJC - NRI appropriately done for events/non-events separately, but use of 7.5% risk threshold is arbitrary (all above & all below are not the same). IDI analysis would have been more informative.
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
@NephJC @f2harrell #nephjc the magnitude of difference seems to be small although statistically significant. The linear relationship to the outcome looks more impressive.
Aisha Shaikh @aishaikh
@NephJC @JamesNovakNeph @SAHusainMD @silvishah @CHEOhospital I think so, and it has been utilized for a lot of GFR studies that have been published by them. Perhaps someone who is currently at the Mayo Clinic now could comment on this - if iothlamate clearances are still ‘commonly’ done there on most patients? #nephjc
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RT @kiwiskiNZ: @NephJC #NephJC - NRI appropriately done for events/non-events separately, but use of 7.5% risk threshold is arbitrary (all above & all below are not the same). IDI analysis would have been more informative.
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@cdchu Didn’t you just do your GR on this?? #nephjc
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@NephJC I think so #nephJC
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
@AravindCheruku1 @kidney_boy @NephJC From my point of view, I do not see a huge improvement in this models, because the difference was 0.02 #NephJC
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@kiwiskiNZ indeed - the authors say 7.5% came from @AHAScience 2013 guidelines somewhat arbitrary agreed #NephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@NephJC If it reinforces aggressive risk factor modification earlier then the answer is yes. Patients die from CVD. #NephJC
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RT @AravindCheruku1: @NephJC @f2harrell #nephjc the magnitude of difference seems to be small although statistically significant. The linear relationship to the outcome looks more impressive.
Airawat ऐरावत @Renaltubules
I hate to say this but cardiologist have trop and CK as a marker of myocardial injury. However we are still searching better marker than creat and urea for kidney injury in last 100 years. #nephjc
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
@NephJC @f2harrell The 95%CIs are v v small because of large numbers. The effect size, though, is tiny. The benefit would need to be huge for anything but minimal cost. #NephJC
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RT @Nephro_Sparks: @NephJC If it reinforces aggressive risk factor modification earlier then the answer is yes. Patients die from CVD. #NephJC
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RT @kiwiskiNZ: @NephJC @f2harrell The 95%CIs are v v small because of large numbers. The effect size, though, is tiny. The benefit would need to be huge for anything but minimal cost. #NephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@Renaltubules This is looking at risk of CVD not injury #NephJC
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Figure 2 is heatmap combining uACR (columns) & eGFR (rows). After adjusting for eGFR, uACR looks kinda meh to me #NephJC https://t.co/HQptP4hiw6
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Isn’t that the goal Matt? Upstream intervention rather than passive acceptance ? #nephJC
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#NephJC this!
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Lastly there is the discordant analysis. Discordant = when eGFRCr and eGFRcys were off by > 20%. This occurred in a whopping 41% of individuals #NephJC
Aisha Shaikh @aishaikh
@silvishah @NephJC @JamesNovakNeph @SAHusainMD @CHEOhospital Definitely cumbersome - requires urine sample collection after 2 hours of iothalamate administration. But places like Mayo Clinic and Cleveland Clinic are well-oiled machines so they can pull it off #nephjc
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@Renaltubules Doesn’t cystatinc offer some improvement? #nephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
@NephJC Breaking out my magnifying glass #NephJC https://t.co/8NFcznWhHA
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Yes, but patients with crGFR of 30 and a CysGFR of 30 both need aggressive risk factor modification. I don't see the utility here. At what eGFR do you stop caring about ASA/Statin/BP? #NephJC
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Table 4 shows the change in c-statistic in those discordant, or not #NephJC https://t.co/msHTCdrgx7
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
@Nephro_Sparks I'm not sure I've ever understood what drives grouping in the first place. #NephJC
Franklin Loachamin @FranLoachamin
RT @NephroNinja: Anyone know the cost different between cystatin C and creatinine measurement? Can cystatin C be measured on the same equipment? #nephjc
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
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forgot the figure 1 from paper in the excitement as @SAHusainMD points out, note the linear relation (middle panel) with eGFRCys compared ot the other two #NephJC https://t.co/IiLjmSeu99
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC @kidney_boy : the benefit of cystatinc is that detects CKD earlier and thus the rationale for earlier intervention. #nephJC
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@Nephro_Sparks @NephJC I’ve often wondered about the value of these markers in patient care (not research). Would a cystatin C measurement change my decision to prescribe a statin or an SGLT2 inhibitor? Maybe, but not often. #NephJC
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@gratefull080504 @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks exactly! look at the difference in risk shown at high end of GFR Joel between extreme left (eGFRcr) and middle column (eGFRcys) #NephJC https://t.co/NEZrZ7Bmfo
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
#nephjc. I clearly see the value of cystatinc if the goal of a healthcare system is early intervention of CKD NICE approved this test because their CKD system rewards slowing down the progression of #ckd
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RT @JamesNovakNeph: @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC I’ve often wondered about the value of these markers in patient care (not research). Would a cystatin C measurement change my decision to prescribe a statin or an SGLT2 inhibitor? Maybe, but not often. #NephJC
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
@gratefull080504 @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC I would need to see the data that detecting an actual GFR of 60 two years earlier has any meaningful difference in outcome. #NephJC
Dhwanil Patel @iheartkidneys
@kidney_boy @gratefull080504 @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Too soon to change the skeleton? #NephJC https://t.co/KdOl9aHS9I
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@JamesNovakNeph @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC If cystatin is able to detect #kidneydisease earlier then yes #nephJC
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@CristhianMuM yup so relation of uACR and CV outcomes is *not* linear (unlike uACR and ESKD) *after* adjustment for other factors #NephJC https://t.co/swEm61bBys
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
#nephjc the most strikingthing, I felt was the fact that cystatin based gfr of 15-30 trumps albuminuria as a risk classifier in their risk stratification tables.
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RT @AravindCheruku1: #nephjc the most strikingthing, I felt was the fact that cystatin based gfr of 15-30 trumps albuminuria as a risk classifier in their risk stratification tables.
Jung Hoon Son, M.D. @junghoon_sonMD
RT @kidney_boy: Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: I think nephrology's genuflection to GFR is a big problem. GFR is only one dimension of the multidimensional disease of CKD. #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@iheartkidneys @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC I don’t think so #nephJC
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
@NephJC How did they measure the serum creatinine and Cystatin C? was it in a single batch or many batches? if creatinine and Cys C were measured in a single batch, this reduce the variability and this would be different depending on which scale you used. #NephJC
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T3 is what happens next @Kidney_boy is not convinced are others thinking eGFRCys adds anything? #NephJC
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
@NephJC @SAHusainMD Love this graph. Curious "wiggle" in Cr curves (why?), nice and smooth for CysC. #NephJC (note: Reference HR is 1 at 90 ml/min).
Ian McCoy, MD, MS @NephroNinja
@kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Practically/operationally, you need a threshold GFR beyond which the CKD is significant enough to be a CVD risk factor. Doesn't this analysis suggest that eGFRcr of 75 isn't worrisome whereas eGFRcys of 75 is? #nephjc
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@gratefull080504 @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Well, the value in detecting a disease is in instituting a management plan to modify its course, or in some cases for genetic counseling. I’m not sure that routine cystatin C measurement would benefit most patients. #NephJc
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
#nephjc cystatin c GFR of 15-30, you are in the red. That’s a big change for me
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@MarvinGonzlez16 good Q uACR was random spot, not first morning as a limitation not sure about single vs many batches for creat/cys C. A Q for @jennifer_s_lees for tomorrow #NephJC
Tiffany Caza @Tiff_Caza
@gratefull080504 @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Could it help with identification of CKD patients overall? It seems like it might be difficult clinically to detect CKD1-2 patients if they don't have proteinuria or other clinical signs. What do you guys think? #nephJC
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RT @kiwiskiNZ: @NephJC @SAHusainMD Love this graph. Curious "wiggle" in Cr curves (why?), nice and smooth for CysC. #NephJC (note: @NephJC @SAHusainMD Love this graph. Curious "wiggle" in Cr curves (why?), nice and smooth for CysC. #NephJC (note: Reference HR is 1 at 90 ml/min).
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RT @AravindCheruku1: #nephjc cystatin c GFR of 15-30, you are in the red. That’s a big change for me
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
@AravindCheruku1 @MarvinGonzlez16 @kidney_boy @NephJC Which is why I'm the referee who always asks for statements about "statistical significance" & p<0.05 to be dropped 👿. Unnecessary & meaningless. #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@NephJC @kidney_boy I do because I clearly see the value in detecting kidney disease earlier than GFR If someone is interested in detecting kidney disease earlier, then I see a tool that can be used to help make a better diagnosis of #ckd We have upstream treatments now Why wait? #nephJC
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
Cannot agree more. The craziness for the p should go!
John Pickering, Skrymaster, 43.6S 172.6E @kiwiskiNZ
@NephroNinja @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Do you really need a threshold? Why not simply a probablity of 5yr (say) event and discuss with patient in front of you? #NephJC
Aisha Shaikh @aishaikh
@NephJC @CristhianMuM Interesting finding... Any thoughts on why this might be? #NephJC
James Novak, MD PhD FACP FASN FNKF @JamesNovakNeph
@Tiff_Caza @gratefull080504 @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC I’m not sure there’s much value in differentiating CKD 1 from 2 in the absence of proteinuria. An eGFR cutoff of 75 seems to make more sense to identify CV risk in younger patients, as discussed in a recent #CJASN editorial by @RichardGlassock. #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@JamesNovakNeph @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC Doesn’t have to be routine but could be used to confirm diagnosis as NICE recommends NICE throws money around like throwing a manhole cover around #nephJC
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@aishaikh @CristhianMuM not sure some interaction with other factors? Medications? confounding? #NephJC
Matthew Sparks, MD @Nephro_Sparks
Nice chat all!! Enjoyed the discussion Thanks @Stones__ for the writeup @krithicism for the visual abstract @hswapnil for the moderating #NephTwitter for the discussion #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@JamesNovakNeph @Tiff_Caza @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC @RichardGlassock I am referring to CKD 3 #nephJC
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RT @kiwiskiNZ: @AravindCheruku1 @MarvinGonzlez16 @kidney_boy @NephJC Which is why I'm the referee who always asks for statements about "statistical significance" & p<0.05 to be dropped 👿. Unnecessary & meaningless. #NephJC
Tiffany Caza @Tiff_Caza
@gratefull080504 @NephJC @kidney_boy This makes a lot of sense. I learned at Kidney Week that we don't do so well in CKD surveillance (in US, for the general population). Tools for improvement would be terrific 🙂 #NephJC
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see mean event rates for eGFRCr vs eGFRCys for all cause mortality by different GFR categories as well #NephJC https://t.co/thLphbBh30
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Thanks for joining us today and for contributing to this rich discussion, and a special thank you to @SAHusainMD @kiwiskiNZ @AravindCheruku1 (and the usual suspects of course) for tonight’s main event! #NephJC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@Tiff_Caza @NephJC @kidney_boy That is my point exactly This subject is near + dear to my heart after participating in the @goKDIGO conference on the early detection + interventions of #ckd That is my position #nephjc
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
@NephJC #nephjc unlike the c statistic table, this appears impressive
Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
@CristhianMuM we tried to develop a prediction score to identify individuals at risk of CKDu. In this study, we used eGFRcr, NGAL and uACR, but we did not seen any improvement when last two markers were added to the model. https://t.co/qWKsPv1VtO #nephjc #BMC
Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
@JamesNovakNeph @Tiff_Caza @kidney_boy @Nephro_Sparks @NephJC @RichardGlassock Me either #nephJC
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@Nephro_Sparks @Stones__ @krithicism @hswapnil Thanks for this chat, was very interesting subject... i really enjoyed it. #NephJC
Airawat ऐरावत @Renaltubules
@Nephro_Sparks @Stones__ @krithicism @hswapnil Thank you team #nephjc
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RT @MarvinGonzlez16: @CristhianMuM we tried to develop a prediction score to identify individuals at risk of CKDu. In this study, we used eGFRcr, NGAL and uACR, but we did not seen any improvement when last two markers were added to the model. https://t.co/qWKsPv1VtO #nephjc #BMC
Aravind Cherukuri PhD MRCP (UK) @AravindCheruku1
#nephjc thanks everyone for the great discussion.
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RT @kidney_boy: Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: Joel Topf, clinical nephrologist. COI: I think nephrology's genuflection to GFR is a big problem. GFR is only one dimension of the multidimensional disease of CKD. #NephJC
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Kevin J. Fowler Principal The Voice of the Patient @gratefull080504
Great topic tonight + on a subject that interests me deeply I clearly see a role of cystatinc at a minimum as recommended by NICE #nephjc
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Marvin Gonzalez. MD, Ph.D @MarvinGonzlez16
This was a great journal club. Many people were posting their thoughts about this topic. Thanks #NephJC for selecting this paper.
Joel M. Topf, MD FACP @kidney_boy
My final #NephJC thought. Cys C may be (probably is?) a better creatinine but it is just another functional marker in a field that is dying for a biomarker. If we were suddenly transported to a Cystatin-C universe it wouldn't look that different than ours.
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RT @edgarvlermamd: Factors that limit the use of eGFR from creatinine and cystatin C #Nephpearls #NephSecrets #NephJC https://t.co/nahNyxyKDd
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RT @kidney_boy: My final #NephJC thought. Cys C may be (probably is?) a better creatinine but it is just another functional marker in a field that is dying for a biomarker. If we were suddenly transported to a Cystatin-C universe it wouldn't look that different than ours.
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