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OTalk @OTalk_
Evening all! Welcome to tonights #OTalk chat! We are talking Mental Capacity Act and Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards. with @SarahSharland19 and @OT_rach for support https://t.co/zZMNKNmGLo
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
Howdy from Canada. I am on the road in Vancouver this week. #otalk https://t.co/YydDD8DcES
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@OTalk_ @SarahSharland19 @OT_rach Whoop whoop #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Whats the first rule of #OTalk? Dont forget to include the hash tag in ALL your tweets. https://t.co/EFyHqcGlkn
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@OTalk_ @SarahSharland19 @OT_rach Evening all #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Remember your professional codes of conduct apply online as they do in practice. Please consider confidentiality when sharing & respect others views and experiences. #OTalk https://t.co/r0RCVv36iQ
OTalk @OTalk_
Right, lets get this show on the road! @SarahSharland19 its over to you! #OTalk https://t.co/Blo1EYKJPj
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@ais_d make sure you make your tweets public for the hour. #otalk
OTalk @OTalk_
@Lauren_OT WELCOME you need to put the # in all your tweets. #otalk!! https://t.co/cuiTNvftcf
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
Hello everyone! The first question is: Q1: how does the Mental Capacity Act affect your practice? #OTalk
Gilly- does- Doing @GillyGorry
RT @OTalk_: Remember your professional codes of conduct apply online as they do in practice. Please consider confidentiality when sharing &…
Tim Dockerty @timdockerty82
#OTalk I am a first year student who is about do my case study presentation, I am in a mental health unit for eating disorders. I have to do a 10-20 minute discussion but I really can’t think of any questions to propose to initiate the conversation. any suggestions please might
Gilly- does- Doing @GillyGorry
#otalk evening, I'm on but mostly lurking tonight
OTalk @OTalk_
Question 1 #OTalk https://t.co/RJMyeZBOHH
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @timdockerty82: #OTalk I am a first year student who is about do my case study presentation, I am in a mental health unit for eating di…
OTalk @OTalk_
@timdockerty82 Hi Tim, questions like that are best at the end off the discussion. We need to focus on the questions. #otalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@GillyGorry I am lurking too because it seems like an UK only topic. #otalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@OTalk_ Hi everyone, I’m a return to OT gal but previously MCA influenced my practice greatly with older ppl #otalk
OTalk @OTalk_
It’s a uk act of Parliament yes, but I’m sure there will be things to pick up on. #OTalk https://t.co/jM8eDpD6vf
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@FlintoffHolly @OTalk_ How would you say it impacted upon your practice @FlintoffHolly ? #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
@shilyOT @SarahSharland19 Generic assessment anyone in the team can? Or always done by OT? #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@timdockerty82 Could u do something on a case you’ve seen, a little about the condition and then a treatment plan? I always found chocolate to those watching helped too! ☺️#otalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Q1 to #OTalk working in adult social care MCA is essential to all practice OT, SW and vocational qualified. We Practice team have just re delivered Action Learning Sets on MCA and it practical application. It should be considered at every point.
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@SarahSharland19 @OTalk_ I think having an awareness of it and that if older ppl don’t have capacity whether that be financial or otherwise they could be taken advantage of #otalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@SarahSharland19 Provides a legal framework to safeguard vulnerable patients who don’t have capacity to make decisions for themselves but also to protect us in our work as OT’s. #OTalk
Orla @orlatheot
@SarahSharland19 It played a big factor in my communities learning disabilities placement, it was essential reading. Every adult must be assumed to have capacity unless it is proved otherwise. #otalk
Orla @orlatheot
@SarahSharland19 This means that you cannot assume that someone cannot make a decision for themselves just because they have a particular medical condition or disability #OTalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
#OTalk I’m late to the chat so will try and catch up on MCA chat...
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @FlintoffHolly: @SarahSharland19 @OTalk_ I think having an awareness of it and that if older ppl don’t have capacity whether that be fin…
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @Lauren_OT: @SarahSharland19 Provides a legal framework to safeguard vulnerable patients who don’t have capacity to make decisions for t…
OTalk @OTalk_
Do people tonight feel they have an awareness? Or is more training needed. #OTalk https://t.co/dYHqKzl24Y
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@orlatheot @SarahSharland19 In the US... we have something called conservatorship. It is for those who don’t have cognitive capacity to represent themselves. #otalk
OTalk @OTalk_
@shilyOT @SarahSharland19 How is this documented? #OTalk
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
It's not too late to join Sarah's #otalk om a topic very relevant to learning disabilities occupational therapy https://t.co/15fbJroLnp
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @orlatheot: @SarahSharland19 This means that you cannot assume that someone cannot make a decision for themselves just because they have…
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 #OTalk MCA affects my practice to be able to consider its principles in daily work with older people with MH needs inc dementia. We consider capacity on a daily basis but need to improve on formal assessments.
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 The assessment should be done by person who requires the decision as MCA is decision specific. So anyone from carer choosing a red or blue dress to an OT deciding if a person should be hoisted..#OTalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@SarahSharland19 Ensures that we work in best interests of patient and choose least restrictive options for those vulnerable patients. #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@BillWongOT @orlatheot That sounds similar. How is it regulated? And are the individuals appointed an advocate? #OTalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
#OTalk swapped to this account, from personal one! @shilyOT
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@OTalk_ Totally feel it’s not trained enough, I only knew bits because of reading up on it but every member of professional staff should be trained on it me thinks #otalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@SarahSharland19 @orlatheot Yes... I believe so. I seen that in mental health and occasionally at my work setting in nursing homes too. #otalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@OTalk_ I often feel I don’t have the skills to assess capacity and often consider an MDT approach #OTalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@Mark_HollowayHF @SarahSharland19 #OTalk yes all ways must be tried to allow person to make a decision. Even if an unwise one. Then important to support through risk Ax
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@BillWongOT @orlatheot I work in a nursing home setting and it dictates pretty much everything I do! #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 Great way of putting that 🤔#otalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@BillWongOT @orlatheot @SarahSharland19 It does sound like something similar to what we have in the UK 🇬🇧 #OTalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@SarahSharland19 I also think it’s important to remember that people can have capacity and still make choices that we might not agree with/could put them at risk/ aren’t healthy etc and they have the right to do so. #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@Lauren_OT Absolutely! #OTalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
@OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 Sorry, new account. #OTalk We have a 2sided proforma which is completed by client or their representative with their consent and signed by clinician. This is then scanned for digital notes. 1side with capacity, other without
OTalk @OTalk_
Yes I would agree (@OT_rach) it’s done within the MDT? Need more understanding training #OTalk https://t.co/wn1SkIglAK
OTalk @OTalk_
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 The assessment should be done by person who requires the decision as MCA is decision…
Paula Otter @PaulaOtter1
Integral part of our practice in stroke rehab from identifying capacity to be in hospital and consent to treatment to capacity regarding discharge destination. whole MDT are able to complete assessments - initially band 6's and 7's now extended to band 5's #OTalk https://t.co/rzSEmnKD1L
Orla @orlatheot
RT @Lauren_OT: @SarahSharland19 I also think it’s important to remember that people can have capacity and still make choices that we might…
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
#OTalk I work in a community rehab team, with #CommunityNurses
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @Lauren_OT: @SarahSharland19 I also think it’s important to remember that people can have capacity and still make choices that we might…
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@OTalk_ My awareness and skill increased after masters level training as DoLs BIA. Akin to AMHP training and skills applicable to all work with MCA. OTs make fab BIAs #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@Lauren_OT @SarahSharland19 In the nursing home setting can be like smoking. Not all of us agree, but that can be meaningful social occupation for them. #otalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@OTalk_ @OT_rach Think it’s often my confidence with the assessment but when I know a patient well and understand the nature of the decision to be made then actually it makes it easier #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Thanks for Joining us @Mark_HollowayHF you need to include the # so people can see your tweet, in the conversation, and transcript after. #OTalk https://t.co/jQqOj04d6N
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@Lauren_OT @SarahSharland19 So true! That’s really good point #otalk
Carolina Cordero 🌈 @colourful_ot
RT @Lauren_OT: @SarahSharland19 I also think it’s important to remember that people can have capacity and still make choices that we might…
Jo OT @LDOTJo
@SarahSharland19 I am. I work with adults with learning disabilities. I lead on certain assessments and am part of others #OTalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@gemOT18 @OTalk_ Not always possible for MDT and I think ‘skills’ is more confidence and experience. I don’t think classroom based training or e-learning is the best way to learn this, but observing others doing Ax’s, doing first ones you do, in a pair if you can #OTalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@OTalk_ Important to always include a person who knows the person well, their communication styles etc. #OTalk
Jo OT @LDOTJo
RT @RCOT_PLD: It's not too late to join Sarah's #otalk om a topic very relevant to learning disabilities occupational therapy https://t.co…
Gemma P @gemOT18
@ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ I’ve often thought about becoming a BIA but need to know more #OTalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
@Lauren_OT @SarahSharland19 #OTalk just because they make a unwise decision, does not mean they do not have capacity. If in doubt speak with #CommunityPsychiatricNurse
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @PaulaOtter1: Integral part of our practice in stroke rehab from identifying capacity to be in hospital and consent to treatment to cap…
OTalk @OTalk_
Hi @PaulaOtter1 thanks for joining us. #OTalk needs to be in all your tweets so people see what your saying and ends up on the transcript https://t.co/TooZ727fuI
Gemma P @gemOT18
@Lauren_OT @OTalk_ Completely agree its confidence and practicing with each case #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
#OTalk https://t.co/5Sc1bF7UPV
Sultana Bhatti @SultanaBhatti1
RT @BillWongOT: @orlatheot @SarahSharland19 In the US... we have something called conservatorship. It is for those who don’t have cognitive…
OTalk @OTalk_
😱 @colourful_ot forgetting the hashtag!!! #OTalk https://t.co/izsrmGeOZL
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@OTalk_ Advocacy are so important. There is a duty under the care Act. To use advocacy to support a person with an assessment if they are deemed unable to engage themselves. #OTalk This decision is made alongside individual MCA Ax fit each decision. Not a blanket.
Lauren @Lauren_OT
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @OTalk_ My awareness and skill increased after masters level training as DoLs BIA. Akin to AMHP training and skills ap…
Paula Otter @PaulaOtter1
@gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach #otalk - yes absolutely. Important that the people who know person best are involved in the assessment. Also important assesssmenr is on more than one occasion and a different times of day. Patients can have fluctuating capacity and important to recognise this
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@OTalk_ Whoops! thank you #OTalk
Carolina Cordero 🌈 @colourful_ot
@OTalk_ Oh noooo! I would have noticed if I had just typed the sentence but it was pasting in the link that distracted me... :P #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ Sorry what’s a BIA? #otalk #ivenotgotaclue
OTalk @OTalk_
Don’t forget that hashtag #Otalk https://t.co/Ms5nmmb4Ei
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@therapy2optimum @Lauren_OT What do you mean by the NT approach? #OTalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@therapy2optimum @SarahSharland19 What is #NTapproach ? #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @OTalk_ Advocacy are so important. There is a duty under the care Act. To use advocacy to support a person with an ass…
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
@FlintoffHolly @ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ Guessing Best Interest Assessment? #OTalk
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
@OTalk_ The only time I've heard of DoLs was on placement in passing and being a nosey student who asks questions, I learnt a bit more about it that way. It does need to be covered in training for sure as it's too important not to. #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@Mark_HollowayHF @gemOT18 @OTalk_ Absolutely! Have actually had my assessments and participation in the best interests process examined in court. One of the most nerve wracking experiences of my career! #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Lots forgetting to include the # in their tweets if you miss it out, your tweet will not be seen, and it will not get on the transcript of conversation so don’t forget #OTalk IN ALL TWEETS.. https://t.co/MxpWJJxcSD
Gemma P @gemOT18
@FlintoffHolly @ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ Yes its Best interest assessor #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
🤗 #OTalk https://t.co/yNa4m0OZ4T
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@OTalk_ #OTalk I am surprised when I interview staff how little is known about MCA and even less about DoL and DoLs. We always have an MCA question as it’s so important to practice.
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @JacqusieOT: @OTalk_ The only time I've heard of DoLs was on placement in passing and being a nosey student who asks questions, I learnt…
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
#OTalk we use a template and have a group of MCA Champions who are OTs & SLTs to support colleagues with training, assessment & documenting
Jo OT @LDOTJo
@ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 Although every day care plans can cover regular acts of care such as choosing clothes. The Act recognises this #OTalk
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@colourful_ot @OTalk_ Very mixed picture in UK, some very positive aspects but identified as working much less well with ABI + we train people about the Act and not about ABI and why this affects decision making, a significant failure as identified by the House of Lords #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ As in NY? USA? I’m there.... lol #otalk
Nabachwa LL @NabachwaOT
@GillyGorry Evening all. I’m lurking as well on tonight’s #OTalk. Hoping to get a different perspective on the Mental Capacity Act (MCA) Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards (DoLS) in a range of settings. It’s been interesting so far...
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@JacqusieOT @OTalk_ I think perhaps in the mental health portion is probably best. It will be a good idea to know a thing or two before going into such settings for placements. #otalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
@Lauren_OT @SarahSharland19 #OTalk sorry multidisciplinary team. #MDT not #NT
OTalk @OTalk_
Question 2 #OTALK @SarahSharland19 You forgot the # https://t.co/nnVl05jjlu
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@gemOT18 @OTalk_ Do message me and we can have a chat. #OTalk all u see review so things will change.
OTalk @OTalk_
Question 3 #OTalk https://t.co/qD8tEU46jz
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 @Mark_HollowayHF @OTalk_ I think that’s so important to remember that if it went to court it’s examined so we need to have confidence in the training we have to apply it in practice #OTalk
KarenB @KazzaBAdv
Great to see #OTalk discussing MCA & DoLS in relation to their work as they too have a duty to refer to relevant advocacy which not many are aware of #IMCA #ICAA #DoLS #Advocacy #statutory #decisionmaking https://t.co/azAMGZfdlV
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@OTalk_ Oops! Sorry, I copied and pasted. #OTalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach Getting to know someone is crucial all part of the TR. #OTalk
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@SarahSharland19 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ Same! But the Court makes us consider, in depth, our processes and our thinking behind decision making so it is a good if nerve-wracking experience perhaps? #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
@Mrsbaistow don’t forget that Hashtag!! #OTALK https://t.co/HlZ1m2JQnt
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@SarahSharland19 Yep. Have been throughout my career, in both general and mental health settings. #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@gemOT18 @Mark_HollowayHF @OTalk_ And document it! #OTalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@carrieba2000 Like the idea of having champions I might suggest this in our teams #OTalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
@ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ #OTalk I believe they are IMCAs independent mental capacity advocates
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@SarahSharland19 In my setting, probably just informal testing. That info can be helpful for develop appropriate goals and plan of care. If I really want to do more during the course of plan of care to further my understanding of the patient, I can though. #otalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
@SarahSharland19 #OTalk work in Community Neuro and a key part of what we do. Even been asked by Police to help take statement as an OT after patient mugged
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
#OTalk https://t.co/DTMCGnTgjU
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@PaulaOtter1 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach Agree with this massively. Hospitalised patients can have apparent no capacity but if they were in their own home then they are safe and do have capacity——need to recognise this! #otalk
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @SarahSharland19: Hello everyone! The first question is: Q1: how does the Mental Capacity Act affect your practice? #OTalk
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @orlatheot: @SarahSharland19 It played a big factor in my communities learning disabilities placement, it was essential reading. Every…
OTalk @OTalk_
Hi @iDashItAll - just one t in the hashtag. It’s #OTalk said O talk ( not OT talk). https://t.co/ouKNRUlar5
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@SarahSharland19 If it is the US equivalent, I am learning on the fly actually. Don’t have to deal with it that much in my setting. #otalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@LDOTJo @OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 Yes but a sort of informal Decidion is made in your head, a little like active risk Ax for everyday M&H #OTalk
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @SarahSharland19: @BillWongOT @orlatheot I work in a nursing home setting and it dictates pretty much everything I do! #OTalk
Paula Otter @PaulaOtter1
Yes I am involved with MCA assessments.... we look at who is best placed in the team to complete an individual assessment. OT's often involved together with SALT as often a combination of aphasia and ⬇️cognition on our stroke unit #otalk https://t.co/XW0Hqu0f3Q
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @SarahSharland19: @Lauren_OT Absolutely! #OTalk
Carolina Cordero 🌈 @colourful_ot
@Mark_HollowayHF @OTalk_ I don't know a huge amount about it but I think the main issue in Ireland is that our Act is quite good in theory but it's being put into practice very, very slowly #OTalk
Jo OT @LDOTJo
@SarahSharland19 I am very confident due to my day to day work, additional training I have pursued and also keeping up to date with caselaw... although that can be confusing! #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @FlintoffHolly: @PaulaOtter1 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach Agree with this massively. Hospitalised patients can have apparent no capacity bu…
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @LDOTJo: @ClaireBellNYPOT @OTalk_ @shilyOT @SarahSharland19 Although every day care plans can cover regular acts of care such as choosin…
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @Mark_HollowayHF @SarahSharland19 #OTalk yes all ways must be tried to allow person to make a decision. Even if an unw…
Sultana Bhatti @SultanaBhatti1
@SarahSharland19 Knowledge and confidence go hand in hand (adult social care) however situations can become clouded when families strongly feel there are issues but on ax you haven't observed any! #otalk
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @Lauren_OT: @SarahSharland19 Provides a legal framework to safeguard vulnerable patients who don’t have capacity to make decisions for t…
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @gemOT18: @SarahSharland19 #OTalk MCA affects my practice to be able to consider its principles in daily work with older people with MH…
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@FlintoffHolly @PaulaOtter1 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach Thing is though- are they able to live at their home environments safely? #otalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@Mark_HollowayHF @gemOT18 @OTalk_ I’d say so. Such a massive learning curve for my whole team but it’s definitely shaped how I assess, document and report things #OTalk
RCOT_PLD @RCOT_PLD
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @SarahSharland19 Q1 to #OTalk working in adult social care MCA is essential to all practice OT, SW and vocational qual…
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@iDashItAll @OTalk_ Are you taught about DoL along side DoLs and applications to court of protection for those? #OTalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
@SarahSharland19 I feel very confident. I’ve had multiple trainings and lots of practice. #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @SultanaBhatti1: @SarahSharland19 Knowledge and confidence go hand in hand (adult social care) however situations can become clouded whe…
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@Lauren_OT That’s great to hear #OTalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
@gemOT18 share training to teams and hope to roll out model to increase confidence amongst nurses. Often approached by social care to assess #OTalk
Paula Otter @PaulaOtter1
Yes there are IMCAs who will help but only if no family or friends willing to support patient and act in best interests if found to not have capacity regarding a specific decision #otalk https://t.co/DkKxhrLi8e
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @carrieba2000: @gemOT18 share training to teams and hope to roll out model to increase confidence amongst nurses. Often approached by so…
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@colourful_ot @OTalk_ I will be interested to hear how this beds in and what your experience is, we have clients in Ireland so it will be important for us to be aware of this. Theory always cleaner than practice #OTalk
Jo OT @LDOTJo
@Lauren_OT @SarahSharland19 There is also case law that says it’s not all about keeping people safe and so people who might lack capacity might also be supported to continue to make ‘unwise’ choices #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@BillWongOT @PaulaOtter1 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach Well that’s the magic question @BillWongOT, and our clinical reasoning I guess answers that #Otalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
Q4: How confident do you feel in your knowledge of the Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards? Please give reasons for this (training, experience etc) #OTalk (I remembered the hashtag this time!)
OTalk @OTalk_
Over half way through our hour now. #OTalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Very confident but aware that confidence comes with competence and being given the opportunity to utilise skills. Knowledge of act does not necessary apply to good application of it in practice. #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@iDashItAll @OTalk_ See Q4 :) #OTalk
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
@OTalk_ @SarahSharland19 I have been involved in a best interests MDT (Mental Health Placement) which was very insightful and it was good to be part of it on placement, but also broke my heart at the same time. It's a tough area in some cases #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Great answer!! #OTalk every one will be different. Our assessment will help us determined this. https://t.co/zWGzHsdBN7
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@LDOTJo @Lauren_OT Positive risk taking? #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Question 4 #OTalk https://t.co/wEqddN5DDD
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
@SarahSharland19 #OTalk have initiated process and completed paperwork a few times. Have attended workshops and worked closely with safeguarding team
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 As a lapsed BIA under DoLs hopefully confident (new role now) but things are changing fast. Newest is application of DoL outside of Hospital and Care Home. As this is an application to the CoP. #OTalk
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@PaulaOtter1 V good point @PaulaOtter1 when cognition is better retained and aphasia is an issue, our SALT colleagues very helpful, when cognition low too, SALT can really help with supporting best interests decision making etc #OTalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 Assessments often go to the doctor or social worker. I’m in older peoples mental health & feel confident when I know a patient well and have been specific about what the decision is to assess capacity #OTalk
Jo OT @LDOTJo
@SarahSharland19 @Lauren_OT Yes....One judge simply said that being happy was also important #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@OTalk_ I feel it’s only through experience with a couple of patients that my knowledge of mca is ok. Since I’m returning to OT my working knowledge of this isn’t what it was but the training isn’t there to correct this #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
@iDashItAll Your getting the hashtag wrong just 1 T #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT This sounds interesting. #OTalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Very good training and an Ind Reviewer of OT BIA cases remarked on their quality and how OTs understood the broader implications and had skills to avoid a deprivation. #OTalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
#OTalk we are in process of setting up web page on intranet with guidance, training resources, supportive communication tools
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT I love this! #OTalk
RCOT Northern Ireland @RCOTNIreland
RT @theRCOT: Tonight's #OTalk is on the Mental Capacity Act and Deprivation of Liberty Safeguards. 8-9pm UK time. https://t.co/VfZ8fz7isu h…
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Has to be a consideration for a lot of assistive tech. ‘Always thinking control and constant supervision....#OTalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 Not confident at all I’m afraid! I think I would be able to identify a situation where a DoLs needed to be applied for but unsure of all the process #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @SarahSharland19 Has to be a consideration for a lot of assistive tech. ‘Always thinking control and constant supervis…
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
@SarahSharland19 I have been involved in a best interests MDT (Mental Health Placement) which was very insightful and it was good to be part of it on placement, but also broke my heart at the same time. It's a tough area in some cases #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT @ClaireBellNYPOT you’ve just kind of answered Q5! #OTalk
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@FlintoffHolly @PaulaOtter1 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach + the absolute reverse too, structured hospital/rehab settings can mask impairment to function/decision making in real world settings, structured assessments based upon verbal output always mask executive impairments, need to have 3rd party and functional aX corroboration #OTalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
#OTalk trying to fund role to lead OT and SLT training and co-ordinate MCA champions. Includes DoLS support
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@LDOTJo @Lauren_OT @SarahSharland19 We do a lot of work re this and positive risk taking #OTalk (positive being a positive impact on persons wellbeing)
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@gemOT18 What do you think would help this? #OTalk
Lauren @Lauren_OT
RT @LDOTJo: @SarahSharland19 @Lauren_OT Yes....One judge simply said that being happy was also important #OTalk
Paula Otter @PaulaOtter1
Yes confident. We have good training in place. Our nursing team tend to complete the paperwork but this is changing as we are taking an improved MDT approach. Also important to talk about POA and check if this is in place and for which area - health/ wealth or both #otalk https://t.co/0hsQ3hNMv5
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT Yes, we include things like floor sensors, door alarms, tilt in space seating, amongst many other things. #OTalk
Kevin Breitman @kbreitman27
RT @OTalk_: Remember your professional codes of conduct apply online as they do in practice. Please consider confidentiality when sharing &…
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Oops #OTalk have to say it’s hard keeping up...
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 Case study examples, further training and possibly following a case of a DoLs if it came up for me on my caseload (which in my current role isn’t v often). I def want to improve my learning after this discussion though #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT Sorry! But what wonderful feedback for OT input #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
Last question.... Q5: What do you think are the benefits of involving occupational therapists in MCA and DOLS assessments? #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @gemOT18: @SarahSharland19 Case study examples, further training and possibly following a case of a DoLs if it came up for me on my case…
Jo OT @LDOTJo
@Lauren_OT @gemOT18 @OTalk_ I read something once that said ‘it’s not an exam to pass’ it’s a discussion about a specific issue at a point in time - which is what we do well #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@gemOT18 @SarahSharland19 That’s the magic phrase- so that students can learn in their mental health courses. #otalk
Kevin Breitman @kbreitman27
RT @FlintoffHolly: @PaulaOtter1 @gemOT18 @OTalk_ @OT_rach Agree with this massively. Hospitalised patients can have apparent no capacity bu…
OTalk @OTalk_
Question 5 the last one!! #OTalk https://t.co/66bcbdedmT
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
@SarahSharland19 #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@SarahSharland19 The holistic view point that ots take mean they should get a wide picture of a patient #otalk
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#OTalk https://t.co/HlZ1m2JQnt
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
@SarahSharland19 Not confident at all, but certainly an area for CPD once qualified (all being well 🙂 ) and something I feel will be important for myself as a practitioner in MH. #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
@SarahSharland19 We are client centered and we have a holistic approach. #otalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
#OTalk understand the effects of cognition on function and work so closely with SLTs so cross over with communication assessment
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Lots of hashtags there, but not the one that ensures the tweet is seen. Remember #OTalk in all tweets. https://t.co/yw6894cDdS
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Ah just seen what your comment was in regard to. Yes not sorry about feedback just answering early. And I forgot the #OTalk
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT I bet! The BIA role seems to carry such a lot of responsibility. I totally admire anyone doing it. #OTalk
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @carrieba2000: #OTalk understand the effects of cognition on function and work so closely with SLTs so cross over with communication ass…
Paula Otter @PaulaOtter1
I think we have a great skill set in identifying the best way to structure the questions for individual patients . Knowing how to adapt your approach to elicit the best possible response is so important in identifying capacity in any given area #otalk https://t.co/K7uVXhqnxQ
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Wow time is going fast 10 mins left!! #OTalk
Mark Holloway @Mark_HollowayHF
@SarahSharland19 The easiest question to answer #OTalk ! My OT colleagues are excellent at providing really good functional assessments of my clients with ABI, noting what is done (not what is said can be done!) Adds a practical voice, linking impairment to function, gives a rounded aX
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 We are the world’s best problem solvers #OTalk I wish more OTs had become BIAs. We can see different ways..
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
#OTalk sorry! https://t.co/WmEz9VEUxG
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That’s what I’m here for. #OTalk 🤓 https://t.co/IPRkrT38bu
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 Guess we have a lot to bring to these Ax. We have the skills to assess a patients level of function, maximise communication, being patient centred and allowing those unwise decisions by taking risks (positively of course!) #OTalk
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
@SarahSharland19 Same really as my last answer - not confident at all, but certainly an area of interest and I'll seek out advice and training on Dols as and when I can #Otalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
#OTalk https://t.co/9C1S5KqBmQ
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@BillWongOT @gemOT18 @SarahSharland19 Not just Mental Health trg comes up all the time in physical settings. #OTalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
#OTalk Any OTs involved in the MCA network meetings?
KarenB @KazzaBAdv
@OTalk_ Sorry to gatecrash but really interested to know your experience/knowledge of Independent Mental Capacity Advocates and when you should/must refer as decision makers under MC. Does this get included in your training or should advocacy orgs do more to engage with you? #OTalk #MCA
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@ClaireBellNYPOT It’s definitely a career path I’d be interested in...#OTalk
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@LDOTJo @Lauren_OT @gemOT18 @OTalk_ Spot on #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Very important point!! #OTalk https://t.co/eog3BHm5LQ
Gemma P @gemOT18
@carrieba2000 No what is it? #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Everyone is welcome! #OTalk https://t.co/9at1DMwC9b
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@ClaireBellNYPOT @BillWongOT @gemOT18 @SarahSharland19 Totally agree #otalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
@gemOT18 #OTalk seen some minutes on Twitter from a recent meeting and trying to find out more
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
@KazzaBAdv @OTalk_ Previously we would refer to IMCA services if necessary when making the DOLS application. Now it’s up to the supervisory body #OTalk
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5mins left any finial thoughts? #OTalk https://t.co/HPCaLUHVZU
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 It’s all about a balance act approach. Pros and cons #OTalk. Yet to meet an OT who’s trained to not get a lot from it. They then become the go to person for MCA queries as it sort of goes hand in hand. #OTalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @SarahSharland19 It’s all about a balance act approach. Pros and cons #OTalk. Yet to meet an OT who’s trained to not g…
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@SarahSharland19 Again happy to talk to anyone PM me #OTalk
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Don’t forget the # #OTalk https://t.co/T1GrzO2PD3
Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT
RT @ClaireBellNYPOT: @BillWongOT @gemOT18 @SarahSharland19 Not just Mental Health trg comes up all the time in physical settings. #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@OTalk_ I didn’t think I’d be able to contribute anything to this chat but I’ve learnt so much! Thanks all #otalk
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
@SarahSharland19 Working holistically and picking up on many different and sometimes subtle cues that OT's are really good at, alongside functional assesments and really listening to people. #OTalk
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Great to read!!!! #OTalk https://t.co/o1V4p7mBMz
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#OTalk https://t.co/7k7F0DcTbi
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
Can I just check are people aware of difference between a DoLs in care homes and hospitals and a DoL in a persons home or supported living? #OTalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@OTalk_ Really interesting topic tonight I have lots to take away. I often find that when someone does have capacity it can close some doors on accessing certain services. Know we need to support unwise decisions too #OTalk
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@ClaireBellNYPOT Please share...#otalk
OTalk @OTalk_
Times up, can we Thank @SarahSharland19 for hosting tonight, great job!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 #OTalk The transcript will be added to the blog for you to down load later in the week. https://t.co/nRryGC9yix
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Enjoyed tonight’s chat? Why not host one of your own? #OTalk https://t.co/Kf8nFtq4Zi
Sarah Sharland @SarahSharland19
Thank you so much everyone, can’t wait to read the transcript! #OTalk
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
#OTalk thanks for the refresher! It's good to #reflect on practice and support colleagues
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Glad you enjoyed #OTalk https://t.co/5KyxDUCMXq
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@KazzaBAdv @OTalk_ If linked to MCA and no formal person to speak to an IMCA is involved. In DoLS an RPR is appointed (often from IMCA service. IMCAs are awesome #OTalk
Gemma P @gemOT18
@FlintoffHolly @ClaireBellNYPOT No I wasn’t aware 😳 #OTalk
OTalk @OTalk_
This is @OT_rach logging off, great chat tonight, and thanks for remembering the #OTalk 😜 https://t.co/wdk7YWecwf
Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff
@OTalk_ @SarahSharland19 Thanks @SarahSharland19 😻#otalk
Carrie Beaumont @carrieba2000
@gemOT18 @FlintoffHolly @ClaireBellNYPOT #OTalk acid test DOLS
Gemma P @gemOT18
@SarahSharland19 Well done that was a great #OTalk I have a lot to think about 🤔
SueOT@T2O @therapy2optimum
@FlintoffHolly @OTalk_ #OTalk you are welcome!
Simon Jacques @JacqusieOT
Great #Otalk and thanks everyone for sharing their expertise and thoughts, always lots to reflect on 🙂
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@Chazzzatron @FlintoffHolly @therapy2optimum @OTalk_ #OTalk
KarenB @KazzaBAdv
@SarahSharland19 @OTalk_ Absolutely, maybe consider for best interest decisions you guys may make and/or care planning involvement under Care Act. Others may not exercise their duties to refer and we can really help/safeguard individuals and also support your work. #OTalk
Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK
@OTalk_ @OT_rach Drats...got distracted by family stuff and missed #OTalk 😿
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
@carrieba2000 @gemOT18 @FlintoffHolly That’s the chap! Gotta love Justice Munby and his friends..#OTalk
Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK
RT @OTalk_: Enjoyed tonight’s chat? Why not host one of your own? #OTalk https://t.co/Kf8nFtq4Zi
Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK
@OTalk_ @SarahSharland19 I look forward to catching up with the transcript as I got distracted and missed #OTalk oops. You would think it was emblazoned on my memory by now! Tue 8pm!!!
Claire Bell @ClaireBellNYPOT
Just to add an after note it’s all changing see LiPs https://t.co/gakrxTJWnQ #OTalk
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