#OTalk Transcript
Healthcare social media transcript of the #OTalk hashtag.
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 | #OTalk @OTalk_ Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's [REDACTED USER] on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say hello even if you are lurking or multitasking! |
| @LynneGoodacre Me too #OTalk | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi [REDACTED USER] glad you can join us! #OTalk https://t.co/p362ITmKQz |
 | Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @OTalk_: Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's [REDACTED USER] on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say he… |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Hi I'm here tonight [REDACTED USER] #OTalk https://t.co/bKiblMV2xp |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @LynneGoodacre good to have you with us #OTalk https://t.co/4yvvSkaLI9 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @preston_jenny #OTalk https://t.co/wGWMWxBjm3 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ So tonight's #OTalk Research might be a gentle and quiet one given the football but I know that I'm looking forward to exploring the topic of face validity. We are joined by @alisonlaverfaw who is leading our talk tonight. |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Aw that’s not so good [REDACTED USER] hope you feel better soon #OTalk https://t.co/2SHvKXQ2H8 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Question 1 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/R3Flfp69Dw |
| @LynneGoodacre I guess I always go with does the measure actually measure what it’s meant to measure #OTalk | |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Hello Alison, really interested in tonight’s talk. Thank you for agreeing to lead #OTalk https://t.co/HJMtVhXPbZ |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Great @bevsaturtle .... do feel free to post and join in rather than lurk :-) #OTalk https://t.co/MpYsWUYryh |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ [REDACTED USER] straight in there with a good question #OTalk Perhaps @alisonlaverfaw could give her opinion? https://t.co/OfAV2xfzGF |
| @LynneGoodacre The challenge is needing to look back through the literature to find this out from the initial research #OTAlk https://t.co/wAp7NBmSzN | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Thanks for joining us @dianecox61 we are just on Q1: What do you understand by the term ‘face validity’? Do you have any definitions that you have found useful? #OTalk https://t.co/Qe4Y7zxxiZ |
 | Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT Late to the party. #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny It often feels as if face validity should be less complicated but in practice it doesn't feel like that #OTalk. https://t.co/XEtQb1qdcG |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Definition of face validity from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/DERUhLmhc2 |
| @LynneGoodacre That last bit is the tricky bit I think @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/zqZ7DI7oZv | |
| @LynneGoodacre Just breath..... it will be fine [REDACTED USER] #OTalk https://t.co/YHUOG9Ge7F | |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw @otalk I feel the same way... since such as assessments are on subjective scales and norm scores. #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Any wisdom on how to manage the subjectivity of it? @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/iRKdclnal0 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Could it be both? [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ViAcKXrMs7 |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw I think it maybe good to occasionally have some team meetings to discuss scoring to see if others on team agrees. #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It looks like the question of defining face validity has got our discussion hats on but we need to move on with the chat into Q2 if that's OK @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| @LynneGoodacre It’s really interesting when you go back to the original paper to see how the questions were generated and by who #OTalk | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is why it's good that we can have Tweetchats like this [REDACTED USER] .... it's good to come from a place of questioning what we think we might know & what we feel confused about! #OTalk https://t.co/VR4f7EBGqQ |
| @LynneGoodacre Well the first phase of the development of outcomes tries to do that #OTalk https://t.co/rIQD11nToZ | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It sounds like it's a complex process to unpick and define! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/uTJu7geDIK |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Good question @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/BJKr7BdOw2 |
| @LynneGoodacre When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ OK so now we have more of an idea about face validity here's Q2 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Bxotl8dJYE |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to… |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It's not a bad thing to be challenged on a hot Tuesday evening!! Good CPD :-) [REDACTED USER] #OTalk https://t.co/560seTzn1Y |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that what makes it so interesting and important for us to understand? Dare I say it but perhaps we do sometimes administer assessments without thinking this through properly @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/PZlRpk4AFz |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ [REDACTED USER] Nothing compared to Los Angeles though. I think we will be at around 40 Celsius by week’s end! #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good comment @LynneGoodacre #OTalk https://t.co/coW3aIH4QF |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @preston_jenny @alisonlaverfaw Or sometimes we do so much that we go on auto pilot! #otalk |
| @LynneGoodacre I wonder how often we are familiar with how a measure was developed in the first place, or do we just loook at the questions and decide if they look right or not? #OTalk | |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw That’s also very true #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw For sure- sure every patient in my setting might be assessed with one assessment. But then I think about what else might be appropriate during their plan of care (given I can keep track of their progress). #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Makes perfect sense to me [REDACTED USER] #OTalk https://t.co/bjAkB7B4hA |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw And another one could be- how well do the patients really fit certain scoring criteria? #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to… |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Yeah- unfortunately for me is not always a given because I get my workplaces change so much! #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to complete it! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ERsBXFXNwI |
| @LynneGoodacre This is often a rationale for using non standardised assessment [REDACTED USER] sometimes decisions need to be made if we are to collect reliable data #OTalk https://t.co/fsDKC8fPHF | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Q3 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/y8Z50XaEgf |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @OTalk_: This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to… |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny I totally agree @LynneGoodacre. That was one of the best things about completing my PhD, I really got to grips with the preferred assessment in a way that I had never considered fully in clinical practice @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/c6rbYDgFHx |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I had that experience with the COPM and the Allen Cognitive Level screen. The ACLS exposed some of my “weaknesses”... lol! #otalk |
 | Vbgdgftg @Els_OT RT @OTalk_: Q3 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/y8Z50XaEgf |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/hPmuSb964B |
| @LynneGoodacre But do you think we do the same in routine practice #OTalk https://t.co/PDrnX35E17 | |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @preston_jenny @alisonlaverfaw Classic case will be peds for sure. We look at age and what skills we might want to assess. Then we think about the assessment. #otalk |
| @LynneGoodacre Totally accept that some assessments are stressful but skilled therapists should be able to help with this and talking about the outcome is more about the therapist than the test #OTAlk https://t.co/UazQziPsbd | |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Not routinely in my experience @LynneGoodacre but definitely something we need to encourage @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/YmeR7c1zVi |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I once had a 500+ question personality test during my neurological testing. That is overwhelming when they throw one test after another... and this test is only one of them! #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @preston_jenny: Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @aliso… |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Also if the correct assessment is being used and the client understands the rationale for this then it helps eliminate some of the stress @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/7zfvgloaGo |
| @LynneGoodacre It’s hard to find standard assessments that ask every question we want to ask but that doesn’t mean we can use them as a component of assessment and ask other questions #OTAlk https://t.co/SQNgb6hEhm | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw Don't forget the #OTalk [REDACTED USER] |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Do you think we have made much progress since then @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/yJMYRcaxck |
| @LynneGoodacre When I was developing an outcome we conducted a lot of qual research with clients first over many months to make sure we were asking questions important to them #OTalk and refining them down with client input | |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw The ACLS was hard for me already when the OT did it on me. In the administrator position, my poor praxis made it even harder! #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @preston_jenny @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Good question- I think we need flexible options for clinicians. Not everyone have means and/or desires to go for doctorates. #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good point [REDACTED USER] #OTalk https://t.co/WLtJxqvVHh |
| @LynneGoodacre Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in the early literature #OTalk https://t.co/EExud3Tobh | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Q4 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/JBvRXyYBsF |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw I see that with the trails making test. Familiarity with the assessment- patient might remember where each dot is! Hence faster completion time! #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Not at all [REDACTED USER] it doesn't require a PhD, it just gave me the luxury of having time to really understand the assessment before I used it. Do we always read the chapters on the development of the tool ... I wonder 🤔#OTalk https://t.co/nBwqAFwQrk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @LynneGoodacre: Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in th… |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Is this a plea for more research in this area? @alisonlaverfaw #Otalk https://t.co/CCHrWITkr1 |
| @LynneGoodacre [REDACTED USER] Sorry about misspelling football getting a bit tense! It will be in the early literature #OTalk | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Are you multitasking tonight @LynneGoodacre ?! #OTalk https://t.co/Az9R6PGjSf |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Is there football on tonight ... only kidding, it's not being screened here in Scotland!! #Otalk https://t.co/6W3NedNPwm |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is interesting [REDACTED USER] Perhaps demonstrates the value of functional assessment? #OTalk https://t.co/izwTHQTiZz |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that a whole different aspect of validity and learned responses? #Otalk https://t.co/SSJeoaFPH6 |
| @LynneGoodacre I haven’t but it was done in rheumatology and led to the development of several PROMS which were much more client focused and emphasised the importance of assessing fatigue as well as pain #OTalk | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ We are within our last 10 minutes of chat now #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT https://t.co/TMCYnP3KNJ info on test retest reliability, and validity, etc. #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ A good model to follow highlighted here by @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/R2JCL76zp7 |
| @LynneGoodacre Interesting so if face validity was established in the initial development & then such qual work says something different which is right #OTalk https://t.co/HqVab2D1S7 | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @BillWongOT: https://t.co/TMCYnP3KNJ info on test retest reliability, and validity, etc. #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] Now that there is app version of the trails making test. Perhaps it maybe a good idea to see if randomization of dots can help erase this type of concern... though that can be another study in itself. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT #OTalk https://t.co/NURYbjB2sw |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Last question from @alisonlaverfaw for our final 5 minutes of chat #OTalk https://t.co/RvxBdIrkYE |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co/4UBkNeBJ7F |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw [REDACTED USER] @LynneGoodacre [REDACTED USER] I think it is good to know all the possible ones that might work for the setting than you are in. Then you can pick and choose rather than going off by suggestions from colleagues. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw [REDACTED USER] For sure. I don’t think I use that test only. Sometimes I also like to use my own gadgets (but by no means standardized assessments) to try to confirm my clinical reasonings. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw Or in the case with the MBI- it is picking the most appropriate number for each particular item. Sometimes that can be guess work, though! #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Time is eluding us now folks. Any final thoughts before we close the chat? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw @LynneGoodacre [REDACTED USER] I think placements experiences (and now social media) can help anyone find out what assessments are appropriate to use in our respective settings. #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny That’s really interesting, has this work been published as I’d be keen to look at this for my own service? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/0SWPhYkdR8 |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT [REDACTED USER] [REDACTED USER] @alisonlaverfaw I have converted my iPad into a mini cognition assessment gadget. I sometimes would try out different games to see if they fit my work setting. #otalk |
| @LynneGoodacre Be curious and keeping asking are we asking the right questions in what we are assessing #OTalk | |
| Vbgdgftg @Els_OT RT @preston_jenny: This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co… |
| @LynneGoodacre Thanks @alisonlaverfaw good to think again about this important issue #OTalk | |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Thank you to @alisonlaverfaw for leading a stimulating chat tonight. The transcript will be posted in a few days. Thank you to all who have contributed this evening #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Extremely thought provoking as always, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Z1zTtZE0qX |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good night all [REDACTED USER] signing off the @OTalk account now. Hope to chat with you all again soon!! #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Thanks @alisonlaverfaw I’ll go take a look right now #OTalk https://t.co/ks2g0Vjl1x |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Now you are making me lazy! Much appreciated, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ay608lQ95e |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Thanks @dianecox61, I’ll do that right now @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/vudGn8MpPk |
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