#OTalk Transcript
Healthcare social media transcript of the #OTalk hashtag.
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 | Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @NikkiDanielsOT: Looking forward to tonight’s chat on face validity. Should be a great discussion and learning opportunity. Lurkers welcome! Hope you can join @hooper_ek at 8pm #otalk https://t.co/fF5YaEoy4W |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: 2 minute warning for tonight's #OTalk Research. Time to grab a cuppa and flex your fingers ready for the chat 😀 |
 | #OTalk @OTalk_ Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's @hooper_ek on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say hello even if you are lurking or multitasking! |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @theRCOT: Tonight's #OTalk Research topic is: Face validity in outcome measures: Tonight's #OTalk Research topic is: Face validity in outcome measures: what is it, why is it important and how do we evaluate it? https://t.co/YGUcSXI5cn https://t.co/i6BOumr2Th |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @hooper_ek: So I know that there’s the small matter of the World Cup match for England tonight but do still join @alisonlaverfaw & I for #OTalk Research 8-9pm (even if you’re multitasking ⚽️) https://t.co/oVCdhNloHR |
 | Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @hooper_ek I’m here hello #otalk |
 | Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Me too #OTalk |
 | Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @OTalk_: Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's @hooper_ek on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say hello even if you are lurking or multitasking! |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @hollyflintoff glad you can join us! #OTalk https://t.co/p362ITmKQz |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Hi I'm here tonight @hooper_ek #OTalk https://t.co/bKiblMV2xp |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw Hello #OTalk - I’m Alison and I have been interested in assessment, outcome measures, the standardisation of tests and how we evaluate psychometric properties since the early 1990s. Really pleased we will be discussing face validity tonight |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @LynneGoodacre good to have you with us #OTalk https://t.co/4yvvSkaLI9 |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's @hooper_ek on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say hello even if you are lurking or multitasking! |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @preston_jenny #OTalk https://t.co/wGWMWxBjm3 |
 | Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @OTalk_ @hooper_ek Hello! Enjoying the heatwave here #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk @otalk first question for our chat tonight: What do you understand by the term ‘face validity’? Do you have any definitions that you have found useful? |
 | Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @OTalk_ @preston_jenny Lurking from my bed tonight as not feeling to well #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ So tonight's #OTalk Research might be a gentle and quiet one given the football but I know that I'm looking forward to exploring the topic of face validity. We are joined by @alisonlaverfaw who is leading our talk tonight. |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Aw that’s not so good @julieannelowe1 hope you feel better soon #OTalk https://t.co/2SHvKXQ2H8 |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk I feel like I should know this but I'm having trouble remembering the difference between face validity and construct validity? #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Question 1 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/R3Flfp69Dw |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: So tonight's #OTalk Research might be a gentle and quiet one given the football but I know that I'm looking forward to exploring the topic of face validity. We are joined by @alisonlaverfaw who is leading our talk tonight. |
 | Dr Nikki Daniels @NikkiDanielsOT @OTalk_ @hooper_ek I’m here! Lurking and learning #OTalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre I guess I always go with does the measure actually measure what it’s meant to measure #OTalk |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @OTalk_ @preston_jenny Thank you... looking forward to an informed lurk, going to learn more #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Hello Alison, really interested in tonight’s talk. Thank you for agreeing to lead #OTalk https://t.co/HJMtVhXPbZ |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Great @bevsaturtle .... do feel free to post and join in rather than lurk :-) #OTalk https://t.co/MpYsWUYryh |
 | Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Hi here but it late #OTalk |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw If I’m honest I’m totally clueless-I attempted some research on it (no pun) but got lost #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk one of the challenges I have found with definitions of face validity is a lack of consistency regarding from whose perspective |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @otalk My understanding in very non research terms is that it does what it says on the tin.... #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk #otalk @alisonlaverfaw @OTalk_ simple definition that it looks right |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ @colourful_ot straight in there with a good question #OTalk Perhaps @alisonlaverfaw could give her opinion? https://t.co/OfAV2xfzGF |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk one of the challenges I have found with definitions of face validity is a lack of consistency regarding from whose perspective |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre The challenge is needing to look back through the literature to find this out from the initial research #OTAlk https://t.co/wAp7NBmSzN |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Thanks for joining us @dianecox61 we are just on Q1: What do you understand by the term ‘face validity’? Do you have any definitions that you have found useful? #OTalk https://t.co/Qe4Y7zxxiZ |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @otalk Yes, that's what I had in mind as well - "measures what it says it's measuring" - but I always forget what kind of validity that is! #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk Face validity relates to whether a test subjectively seems to measure what it is intended to measure (Asher, 2007) from the perspective of the person undertaking the test |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk Face validity relates to whether a test subjectively seems to measure what it is intended to measure (Asher, 2007) from the perspective of the person undertaking the test |
 | Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT Late to the party. #otalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk Face validity relates to whether a test subjectively seems to measure what it is intended to measure (Asher, 2007) from the perspective of the person undertaking the test |
 | Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Whoops, got chatting to @GillyGorry and missed the start of #OTalk ...just catching up. Great topic this evening |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk To be fair I see the term validity and my brain panics and shouts quantitative research at me which still scares me a little #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny It often feels as if face validity should be less complicated but in practice it doesn't feel like that #OTalk. https://t.co/XEtQb1qdcG |
 | ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk one of the challenges I have found with definitions of face validity is a lack of consistency regarding from whose perspective |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Definition of face validity from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/DERUhLmhc2 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre That last bit is the tricky bit I think @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/zqZ7DI7oZv |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk Face validity relates to whether a test subjectively seems to measure what it is intended to measure (Asher, 2007) from the perspective of the person undertaking the test |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk Face validity relates to whether a test subjectively seems to measure what it is intended to measure (Asher, 2007) from the perspective of the person undertaking the test |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @julieannelowe1: @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk To be fair I see the term validity and my brain panics and shouts quantitative research at me which still scares me a little #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @julieannelowe1: @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk To be fair I see the term validity and my brain panics and shouts quantitative research at me which still scares me a little #OTalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Just breath..... it will be fine @julieannelowe1 #OTalk https://t.co/YHUOG9Ge7F |
 | Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Hello #OTalk sorry but I want to check: is the person “undertaking the test” the assessor or the assessed? |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @julieannelowe1 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk I feel the same way... since such as assessments are on subjective scales and norm scores. #otalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk Face validity relates to whether a test subjectively seems to measure what it is intended to measure (Asher, 2007) from the perspective of the person undertaking the test |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Don’t forget #otalk @edenmarrison https://t.co/GWV0e2qaPZ |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Would that depend upon the test that you where looking at? #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Any wisdom on how to manage the subjectivity of it? @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/iRKdclnal0 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Could it be both? @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ViAcKXrMs7 |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @LynneGoodacre I just start recite credibility and trustworthiness to bring me back into my comfort zone and the panic goes away 😊#Otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw I think it maybe good to occasionally have some team meetings to discuss scoring to see if others on team agrees. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre I just start recite credibility and trustworthiness to bring me back into my comfort zone and the panic goes away 😊#Otalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @celiabentleyOT @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @otalk Since the intro to research module that I did last year I feel like I understand the general concepts of reliability and validity but I find that the specific types of validity - criterion validity, face validity, etc. - just blur together for me #OTalk |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Yes, I would make that same assumption. #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @colourful_ot: @celiabentleyOT @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @otalk Since the intro to research module that I did last year I feel like I understand the general concepts of reliability and validity but I find that the specific types of validity - criterion validity, face validity, etc. - just blur together for me #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk That’s where definitions vary! Always the person undertaking the test ( the patient, service user or client) with an OT test - but so@e definitions include the tea administrator too |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It looks like the question of defining face validity has got our discussion hats on but we need to move on with the chat into Q2 if that's OK @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @BillWongOT: @OTalk_ @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw I think it maybe good to occasionally have some team meetings to discuss scoring to see if others on team agrees. #otalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre It’s really interesting when you go back to the original paper to see how the questions were generated and by who #OTalk |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Could the subjectivity be standardised? Is that a daft question? #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is why it's good that we can have Tweetchats like this @colourful_ot .... it's good to come from a place of questioning what we think we might know & what we feel confused about! #OTalk https://t.co/VR4f7EBGqQ |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw Some definitions also include the perspectives of the therapist administering the test; family members observing the test administration; and/or other professionals who use the test results; or other people who might use the test results, e.g other MDT members #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk That’s where definitions vary! Always the person undertaking the test ( the patient, service user or client) with an OT test - but so@e definitions include the tea administrator too |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Well the first phase of the development of outcomes tries to do that #OTalk https://t.co/rIQD11nToZ |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: Some definitions also include the perspectives of the therapist administering the test; family members observing the test administration; and/or other professionals who use the test results; or other people who might use the test results, e.g other MDT members #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw 2nd question Why is face validity important to study when developing or selecting occupational therapy assessments and outcome measures? #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @alisonlaverfaw: Some definitions also include the perspectives of the therapist administering the test; family members observing the test administration; and/or other professionals who use the test results; or other people who might use the test results, e.g other MDT members #OTalk |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @OTalk_ @colourful_ot Robson’s real world research is still my go to “guru” book for explaining terminology #OTalk |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 RT @OTalk_: This is why it's good that we can have Tweetchats like this @colourful_ot .... it's good to come from a place of questioning what we think we might know & what we feel confused about! #OTalk https://t.co/VR4f7EBGqQ |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @OTalk_ Definitely! Also I find if there are things that I *do* understand and someone else isn't sure of, trying to explain it in a Tweet either solidifies that knowledge for me or makes me aware of what aspects of it I need to know more about #OTalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: 2nd question Why is face validity important to study when developing or selecting occupational therapy assessments and outcome measures? #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It sounds like it's a complex process to unpick and define! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/uTJu7geDIK |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @colourful_ot I’m so confused this week.... more reading needed from me I think #otalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Good question @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/BJKr7BdOw2 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw That’s useful to know #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ OK so now we have more of an idea about face validity here's Q2 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Bxotl8dJYE |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @colourful_ot: @OTalk_ Definitely! Also I find if there are things that I *do* understand and someone else isn't sure of, trying to explain it in a Tweet either solidifies that knowledge for me or makes me aware of what aspects of it I need to know more about #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @julieannelowe1: @OTalk_ @colourful_ot Robson’s real world research is still my go to “guru” book for explaining terminology #OTalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB Sorry #OTalk https://t.co/siXaVqg5lP |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @colourful_ot: @OTalk_ Definitely! Also I find if there are things that I *do* understand and someone else isn't sure of, trying to explain it in a Tweet either solidifies that knowledge for me or makes me aware of what aspects of it I need to know more about #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 #otalk don’t be confused it more straight forward than it seems https://t.co/sV03tosUUs |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @OTalk_ Thanks for the recommendation! I already have @trishgreenhalgh's How to Read a Paper on my research to-read list but I can always do with more #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It's not a bad thing to be challenged on a hot Tuesday evening!! Good CPD :-) @hollyflintoff #OTalk https://t.co/560seTzn1Y |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that what makes it so interesting and important for us to understand? Dare I say it but perhaps we do sometimes administer assessments without thinking this through properly @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/PZlRpk4AFz |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: It's not a bad thing to be challenged on a hot Tuesday evening!! Good CPD :-) @hollyflintoff #OTalk https://t.co/560seTzn1Y |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @hollyflintoff Nothing compared to Los Angeles though. I think we will be at around 40 Celsius by week’s end! #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good comment @LynneGoodacre #OTalk https://t.co/coW3aIH4QF |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I would imagine it’s because you would need to know what u think u know before u use an assessment tool? Does that make sense? #otalk |
 | Clairy Fairy 🇺🇦✊💙 @clairelfairy RT @alisonlaverfaw: 2nd question Why is face validity important to study when developing or selecting occupational therapy assessments and outcome measures? #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @preston_jenny: Isn't that what makes it so interesting and important for us to understand? Dare I say it but perhaps we do sometimes administer assessments without thinking this through properly @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/PZlRpk4AFz |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @preston_jenny @alisonlaverfaw Or sometimes we do so much that we go on auto pilot! #otalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre I wonder how often we are familiar with how a measure was developed in the first place, or do we just loook at the questions and decide if they look right or not? #OTalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @colourful_ot #OTalk it is complicated but maybe helpful to think in terms of decision making? Part of how you choose how to assess & what measures you use? It is subjective because so many things could be considered |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @DrWMB OK so now I can not get those images out of my head. Thanks #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw One problem with standardised test is when people are experiencing stress during the assessment, they may not perform to the best of their ability. Do we really understand if our clients find OT tests stressful? #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Good point Lynne #otalk https://t.co/TNcQROs7YF |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw That’s also very true #OTalk |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Outcome measures are interesting, as a clinican I was asked to use them to prove my own worth, as an academic I encourage thier use to help develop evidence. I suppose it depends on why and what you are measuring @#OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw For sure- sure every patient in my setting might be assessed with one assessment. But then I think about what else might be appropriate during their plan of care (given I can keep track of their progress). #otalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw I feel like this is my go-to answer to at least one #OTalk question per week but... client-centredness? If the assessment isn't measuring what the client/participant/person being assessed thinks it should be, we won't have the right priorities #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Outcome measures are interesting, as a clinican I was asked to use them to prove my own worth, as an academic I encourage thier use to help develop evidence. I suppose it depends on why and what you are measuring @#OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @alisonlaverfaw: One problem with standardised test is when people are experiencing stress during the assessment, they may not perform to the best of their ability. Do we really understand if our clients find OT tests stressful? #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Outcome measures are interesting, as a clinican I was asked to use them to prove my own worth, as an academic I encourage thier use to help develop evidence. I suppose it depends on why and what you are measuring @#OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Makes perfect sense to me @hollyflintoff #OTalk https://t.co/bjAkB7B4hA |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw 3rd question When selecting an outcome measure for research how could you consider face validity?#OTalk |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Yes like a multi-pronged attack-as it were #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw And another one could be- how well do the patients really fit certain scoring criteria? #otalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @Helen_OTUK Sorry I’ve moved on to Harry Potter when he first gets measured for a wand: all sorts of strange measurements, funny because they lack face validity #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Yeah- unfortunately for me is not always a given because I get my workplaces change so much! #otalk |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @LynneGoodacre Or at times are they foisted on us from a management perspective? #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to complete it! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ERsBXFXNwI |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre This is often a rationale for using non standardised assessment @DrWMB sometimes decisions need to be made if we are to collect reliable data #OTalk https://t.co/fsDKC8fPHF |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Q3 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/y8Z50XaEgf |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @OTalk_: This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to complete it! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ERsBXFXNwI |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Outcome measures are interesting, as a clinican I was asked to use them to prove my own worth, as an academic I encourage thier use to help develop evidence. I suppose it depends on why and what you are measuring @#OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny I totally agree @LynneGoodacre. That was one of the best things about completing my PhD, I really got to grips with the preferred assessment in a way that I had never considered fully in clinical practice @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/c6rbYDgFHx |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw Resonated with non standardised assements too... it can be perceived as a power issue with the ‘uniforms’ holding the knowledge and therefore the power rather than collaborative #OTalk |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @DrWMB Nope, sorry you lost me at Harry Potter... I have no reference point, Andy Warhol in the other hand. #OTalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @hollyflintoff True, though in this part of the world we're not set up for heat the way LA would be (e.g. nobody has air conditioning!) so we have a harder time even at a lower temperature! (I notice the same difference between 30C here and 40C where my relatives live in Spain :P ) #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @colourful_ot: @alisonlaverfaw I feel like this is my go-to answer to at least one #OTalk question per week but... client-centredness? If the assessment isn't measuring what the client/participant/person being assessed thinks it should be, we won't have the right priorities #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I had that experience with the COPM and the Allen Cognitive Level screen. The ACLS exposed some of my “weaknesses”... lol! #otalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @OTalk_: Q3 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/y8Z50XaEgf |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @BillWongOT: @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw For sure- sure every patient in my setting might be assessed with one assessment. But then I think about what else might be appropriate during their plan of care (given I can keep track of their progress). #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Outcome measures are interesting, as a clinican I was asked to use them to prove my own worth, as an academic I encourage thier use to help develop evidence. I suppose it depends on why and what you are measuring @#OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Does it measure what you are trying to assess with the population and relevant health condition #otalk @alisonlaverfaw @OTalk_ https://t.co/OQd3Lxz1g1 |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/hPmuSb964B |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 RT @colourful_ot: @alisonlaverfaw I feel like this is my go-to answer to at least one #OTalk question per week but... client-centredness? If the assessment isn't measuring what the client/participant/person being assessed thinks it should be, we won't have the right priorities #OTalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre But do you think we do the same in routine practice #OTalk https://t.co/PDrnX35E17 |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk some of the general health questionnaires are so general, it’s difficult to answer. Other more specific tests are stressful if the implications are not discussed? |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @DrWMB: @Helen_OTUK Sorry I’ve moved on to Harry Potter when he first gets measured for a wand: @Helen_OTUK Sorry I’ve moved on to Harry Potter when he first gets measured for a wand: all sorts of strange measurements, funny because they lack face validity #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @alisonlaverfaw: One problem with standardised test is when people are experiencing stress during the assessment, they may not perform to the best of their ability. Do we really understand if our clients find OT tests stressful? #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to complete it! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ERsBXFXNwI |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @LynneGoodacre: This is often a rationale for using non standardised assessment @DrWMB sometimes decisions need to be made if we are to collect reliable data #OTalk https://t.co/fsDKC8fPHF |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @preston_jenny: I totally agree @LynneGoodacre. That was one of the best things about completing my PhD, I really got to grips with the preferred assessment in a way that I had never considered fully in clinical practice @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/c6rbYDgFHx |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @BillWongOT: @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I had that experience with the COPM and the Allen Cognitive Level screen. The ACLS exposed some of my “weaknesses”... lol! #otalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Great points Wendy @DrWMB #otalk @alisonlaverfaw https://t.co/1uvEijmb4N |
 | Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Just joined the discussion #OTalk - I can see the point of using standardised assessments in research, but in ordinary clinical practice you need assessments and outcomes to relate far more to the individual than standardisation often allow. |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @preston_jenny @alisonlaverfaw Classic case will be peds for sure. We look at age and what skills we might want to assess. Then we think about the assessment. #otalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Totally accept that some assessments are stressful but skilled therapists should be able to help with this and talking about the outcome is more about the therapist than the test #OTAlk https://t.co/UazQziPsbd |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Not routinely in my experience @LynneGoodacre but definitely something we need to encourage @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/YmeR7c1zVi |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw I conducted my first face validity study around 1991 when I was undertaking a project to develop, standardise and evaluate the psychometric properties of an assessment, the Structured Observational Test of Function (SOTOF), #OTalk found little guidance on method in literature |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @preston_jenny: Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/hPmuSb964B |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @DrWMB: @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk some of the general health questionnaires are so general, it’s difficult to answer. Other more specific tests are stressful if the implications are not discussed? |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @shirleypearceot: @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Just joined the discussion #OTalk - I can see the point of using standardised assessments in research, but in ordinary clinical practice you need assessments and outcomes to relate far more to the individual than standardisation often allow. |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @DrWMB @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I once had a 500+ question personality test during my neurological testing. That is overwhelming when they throw one test after another... and this test is only one of them! #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @LynneGoodacre: Totally accept that some assessments are stressful but skilled therapists should be able to help with this and talking about the outcome is more about the therapist than the test #OTAlk https://t.co/UazQziPsbd |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @dianecox61 @alisonlaverfaw Thanks. I’m remembering some of the cognitive & perceptual tests I used in practice: I’m not sure it was that easy to explain #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @preston_jenny: Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/hPmuSb964B |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Also if the correct assessment is being used and the client understands the rationale for this then it helps eliminate some of the stress @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/7zfvgloaGo |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: I conducted my first face validity study around 1991 when I was undertaking a project to develop, standardise and evaluate the psychometric properties of an assessment, the Structured Observational Test of Function (SOTOF), #OTalk found little guidance on method in literature |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I have a different relationship with the Sensory Profile than other assessments because it's one that I completed myself with an OT when I was dealing with anxiety so I feel like I know it from the other side! #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: I conducted my first face validity study around 1991 when I was undertaking a project to develop, standardise and evaluate the psychometric properties of an assessment, the Structured Observational Test of Function (SOTOF), #OTalk found little guidance on method in literature |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre It’s hard to find standard assessments that ask every question we want to ask but that doesn’t mean we can use them as a component of assessment and ask other questions #OTAlk https://t.co/SQNgb6hEhm |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @preston_jenny: Not routinely in my experience @LynneGoodacre but definitely something we need to encourage @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/YmeR7c1zVi |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @shirleypearceot: @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Just joined the discussion #OTalk - I can see the point of using standardised assessments in research, but in ordinary clinical practice you need assessments and outcomes to relate far more to the individual than standardisation often allow. |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw In addition to stress, feeling an assessments irrelevant or boring or contrived can impact a person’s performance on the assessment and this then can make the results less reliable - it can also impact our rapport and therapeutic relationship #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ @chrisbowdenOT @alisonlaverfaw Don't forget the #OTalk @chrisbowdenOT |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @BillWongOT: @DrWMB @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I once had a 500+ question personality test during my neurological testing. That is overwhelming when they throw one test after another... and this test is only one of them! #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @DrWMB: @dianecox61 @alisonlaverfaw Thanks. I’m remembering some of the cognitive & perceptual tests I used in practice: @dianecox61 @alisonlaverfaw Thanks. I’m remembering some of the cognitive & perceptual tests I used in practice: I’m not sure it was that easy to explain #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Do you think we have made much progress since then @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/yJMYRcaxck |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Love this comment @preston_jenny sums up the issue for me in practice and research #OTalk @alisonlaverfaw https://t.co/A9zs9x2jAy |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I’m doing repeated measures in the drug trial I’m on. They are so familiar now. I grit my teeth. Don’t like the questions but believe in the trial! #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw Question 4: #OTalk Have you ever undertaken research to evaluate the face validity of an assessment or outcome measure? How did you do this? |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre When I was developing an outcome we conducted a lot of qual research with clients first over many months to make sure we were asking questions important to them #OTalk and refining them down with client input |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @colourful_ot @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw The ACLS was hard for me already when the OT did it on me. In the administrator position, my poor praxis made it even harder! #otalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @LynneGoodacre: When I was developing an outcome we conducted a lot of qual research with clients first over many months to make sure we were asking questions important to them #OTalk and refining them down with client input |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @preston_jenny @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Hmm... There maybe something in that, how do we as clinicians 'really get to grips' without doing a PhD? Or does it require PhD study too achieve this? If so how can the clinician access? Post grad modules? #OTalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB The placement I just finished showed me the pros and cons of standardised testing - they were very useful in terms of presenting clear scores and percentiles to parents but there also seemed to be so many situations where the assessment didn't show the true picture #OTalk |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre Agree - we shouldn't get so standardised that we can't see what's most important to the individual #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw @preston_jenny #OTalk Unfortunately not! when writing about validity for my text book I found there was still a lack of face validity studies published, not just in occupational therapy but also wider allied health assessment literature |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: Question 4: Question 4: #OTalk Have you ever undertaken research to evaluate the face validity of an assessment or outcome measure? How did you do this? |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw That’s a really good point but hard for the novice therapist.. I vividly remember explaining (probably very badly) as a new basic grade that Home assessments where not tests, with my elderly client asking me , how is it not when my discharge relies on it? #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: @preston_jenny #OTalk Unfortunately not! when writing about validity for my text book I found there was still a lack of face validity studies published, not just in occupational therapy but also wider allied health assessment literature |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Maybe one problem is with one-off use? Face validity could change with familiarity & time to understand why the test is needed? #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @Helen_OTUK @preston_jenny @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Good question- I think we need flexible options for clinicians. Not everyone have means and/or desires to go for doctorates. #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good point @Helen_OTUK #OTalk https://t.co/WLtJxqvVHh |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in the early literature #OTalk https://t.co/EExud3Tobh |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @DrWMB: @alisonlaverfaw Maybe one problem is with one-off use? Face validity could change with familiarity & time to understand why the test is needed? #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Q4 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/JBvRXyYBsF |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @Els_OT @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Quite #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I see that with the trails making test. Familiarity with the assessment- patient might remember where each dot is! Hence faster completion time! #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Not at all @Helen_OTUK it doesn't require a PhD, it just gave me the luxury of having time to really understand the assessment before I used it. Do we always read the chapters on the development of the tool ... I wonder 🤔#OTalk https://t.co/nBwqAFwQrk |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK TopTip... #OTalk https://t.co/RcjhFKbA4p |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @LynneGoodacre: Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in the early literature #OTalk https://t.co/EExud3Tobh |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw That’s a really good point but hard for the novice therapist.. I vividly remember explaining (probably very badly) as a new basic grade that Home assessments where not tests, with my elderly client asking me , how is it not when my discharge relies on it? #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @LynneGoodacre: Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in the early literature #OTalk https://t.co/EExud3Tobh |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Is this a plea for more research in this area? @alisonlaverfaw #Otalk https://t.co/CCHrWITkr1 |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @Els_OT @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre Yes so true & not often considered. When you look closely very few are truly standardised. #OTalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre @Helen_OTUK Sorry about misspelling football getting a bit tense! It will be in the early literature #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Are you multitasking tonight @LynneGoodacre ?! #OTalk https://t.co/Az9R6PGjSf |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw But the fact they keep doing it means face validity is good? #OTalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I suppose that's where face validity overlaps with other things like test-retest reliability #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @dianecox61: Love this comment @preston_jenny sums up the issue for me in practice and research #OTalk @alisonlaverfaw https://t.co/A9zs9x2jAy |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Me too but can’t watch so upstairs to listen #OTalk https://t.co/QkXJmv7QPV |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Working in the memory clinic I noticed that some patients would gradually perform better and better in MMSE & MOCA over time while their abilities at home and in our therapeutic group activities steadily declined. #OTalk |
 | Eden Marrison @edenmarrison94 @alisonlaverfaw I am currently undertaking a MRes doing a face validity study on the SOTOF with patients with neurological deficit. I am using a semi-structured interview to establish their perceptions / feelings about completing the test #OTalk |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK @preston_jenny Yes, I think that it what I was leaning to, 'luxury of time' which is what made me think maybe Post grad modules, courses, action groups, study group... Way to 'make time'. #OTalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw It interests me in relation to participatory research, especially for scoping out a problem or issue. But I’ve never done it. #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @colourful_ot: @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB The placement I just finished showed me the pros and cons of standardised testing - they were very useful in terms of presenting clear scores and percentiles to parents but there also seemed to be so many situations where the assessment didn't show the true picture #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw That’s a really good point but hard for the novice therapist.. I vividly remember explaining (probably very badly) as a new basic grade that Home assessments where not tests, with my elderly client asking me , how is it not when my discharge relies on it? #OTalk |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Sorry I'm going off at a tangent - that's more about test-retest than face validity. #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @BillWongOT: @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I see that with the trails making test. Familiarity with the assessment- patient might remember where each dot is! Hence faster completion time! #otalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @DrWMB: @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw It interests me in relation to participatory research, especially for scoping out a problem or issue. But I’ve never done it. #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @edenmarrison94: @alisonlaverfaw I am currently undertaking a MRes doing a face validity study on the SOTOF with patients with neurological deficit. I am using a semi-structured interview to establish their perceptions / feelings about completing the test #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Is there football on tonight ... only kidding, it's not being screened here in Scotland!! #Otalk https://t.co/6W3NedNPwm |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is interesting @shirleypearceot Perhaps demonstrates the value of functional assessment? #OTalk https://t.co/izwTHQTiZz |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB So is it about being able to contextualise the results to see the whole picture? #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that a whole different aspect of validity and learned responses? #Otalk https://t.co/SSJeoaFPH6 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre I haven’t but it was done in rheumatology and led to the development of several PROMS which were much more client focused and emphasised the importance of assessing fatigue as well as pain #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw We have used qualitative methods such as semi structured interviews with clients after they have undertaken an assessment and asked about their experience of the assessment, what they thought the purpose was #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @shirleypearceot: @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Working in the memory clinic I noticed that some patients would gradually perform better and better in MMSE & MOCA over time while their abilities at home and in our therapeutic group activities steadily declined. #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ We are within our last 10 minutes of chat now #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: We have used qualitative methods such as semi structured interviews with clients after they have undertaken an assessment and asked about their experience of the assessment, what they thought the purpose was #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @LynneGoodacre: I haven’t but it was done in rheumatology and led to the development of several PROMS which were much more client focused and emphasised the importance of assessing fatigue as well as pain #OTalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw That’s a really good point but hard for the novice therapist.. I vividly remember explaining (probably very badly) as a new basic grade that Home assessments where not tests, with my elderly client asking me , how is it not when my discharge relies on it? #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT https://t.co/TMCYnP3KNJ info on test retest reliability, and validity, etc. #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ A good model to follow highlighted here by @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/R2JCL76zp7 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Interesting so if face validity was established in the initial development & then such qual work says something different which is right #OTalk https://t.co/HqVab2D1S7 |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw Last question: What methodologies can be used to explore and evaluate face validity? #OTalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Yes - that was actually some of the feedback that I got from my educator, that I need to improve my clinical reasoning to bring together the assessment results and all the other info I have in order to make the right decisions in practice #OTalk |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @OTalk_ It's hard to distinguish between the appropriateness of the test for the situation/person and whether it really tested what we were told it would do... #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @BillWongOT: https://t.co/TMCYnP3KNJ info on test retest reliability, and validity, etc. #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @DrWMB Now that there is app version of the trails making test. Perhaps it maybe a good idea to see if randomization of dots can help erase this type of concern... though that can be another study in itself. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT #OTalk https://t.co/NURYbjB2sw |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @shirleypearceot: @OTalk_ It's hard to distinguish between the appropriateness of the test for the situation/person and whether it really tested what we were told it would do... #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Last question from @alisonlaverfaw for our final 5 minutes of chat #OTalk https://t.co/RvxBdIrkYE |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co/4UBkNeBJ7F |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @julieannelowe1 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Yes probably - standardised tests need to be put in the context of the individual person/circumstances or the measures are just meaningless stats #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @preston_jenny: This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co/4UBkNeBJ7F |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @LynneGoodacre: Interesting so if face validity was established in the initial development & then such qual work says something different which is right #OTalk https://t.co/HqVab2D1S7 |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot But I guess it’s important not to use those test results in isolation? #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB I think it is good to know all the possible ones that might work for the setting than you are in. Then you can pick and choose rather than going off by suggestions from colleagues. #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk The COSMIN checklist manual (Mokkink et al., 2012: 31) stated that no standards were developed for assessing face validity because ‘face validity requires a subjective judgement’ - there is a lack of agreed standards for face validity studies |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @DrWMB @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw But too often that's exactly what happens when boxes have to be ticked #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot For sure. I don’t think I use that test only. Sometimes I also like to use my own gadgets (but by no means standardized assessments) to try to confirm my clinical reasonings. #otalk |
 | Pam Watkins💙 @PWtherapist RT @julieannelowe1: @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw That’s a really good point but hard for the novice therapist.. I vividly remember explaining (probably very badly) as a new basic grade that Home assessments where not tests, with my elderly client asking me , how is it not when my discharge relies on it? #OTalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I can’t help thinking collaborative approaches would help, to draw conclusions from subjective views & build consensus #OTalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Of course I know that in theory, but I think it's easier when you're inexperienced to look at the standardised scores than to notice some of the more subtle things that you might need to observe or consider - it's an area where I'm still developing #OTalk |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @BillWongOT @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB That would have been good but I was the most junior member of the team (the only Band 5) so I had to do as I was told - at least to start with #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @shirleypearceot @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Or in the case with the MBI- it is picking the most appropriate number for each particular item. Sometimes that can be guess work, though! #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @colourful_ot: @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Of course I know that in theory, but I think it's easier when you're inexperienced to look at the standardised scores than to notice some of the more subtle things that you might need to observe or consider - it's an area where I'm still developing #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @DrWMB: @alisonlaverfaw I can’t help thinking collaborative approaches would help, to draw conclusions from subjective views & build consensus #OTalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @DrWMB: @Els_OT @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre Yes so true & not often considered. When you look closely very few are truly standardised. #OTalk |
| Shirley Pearce @shirleypearceot @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Like triangulation of results #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Time is eluding us now folks. Any final thoughts before we close the chat? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @shirleypearceot @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB I think placements experiences (and now social media) can help anyone find out what assessments are appropriate to use in our respective settings. #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny That’s really interesting, has this work been published as I’d be keen to look at this for my own service? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/0SWPhYkdR8 |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw That seems a cop out to me. It must be possible to demonstrate the processes that led the researchers to agree the test was worth designing & did what they meant it to? #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk When seeking feedback from clients on their experience of a test it is preferable to have the client interviewed by a different therapist than the one who undertook the assessment as some clients find it difficult to provide negative feedback to the OT who has done test |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot @shirleypearceot @BillWongOT @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Yeah, that was my experience too; to be fair I never asked about using other assessments, but there were definitely a few assessments that we used every day and the only variation tended to be leaving out one of the assessments if we felt it wasn't relevant to the child #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 Thanks @alisonlaverfaw @OTalk_ @hooper_ek great #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @shirleypearceot @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I have converted my iPad into a mini cognition assessment gadget. I sometimes would try out different games to see if they fit my work setting. #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @DrWMB: @alisonlaverfaw I can’t help thinking collaborative approaches would help, to draw conclusions from subjective views & build consensus #OTalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Be curious and keeping asking are we asking the right questions in what we are assessing #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @colourful_ot: @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB Of course I know that in theory, but I think it's easier when you're inexperienced to look at the standardised scores than to notice some of the more subtle things that you might need to observe or consider - it's an area where I'm still developing #OTalk |
| Wendy Bryant @DrWMB @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Thanks I found this interesting to think about. Highlights importance of thoughtful practice and research #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @shirleypearceot: @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Like triangulation of results #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: Time is eluding us now folks. Any final thoughts before we close the chat? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @preston_jenny: That’s really interesting, has this work been published as I’d be keen to look at this for my own service? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/0SWPhYkdR8 |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @preston_jenny: This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co/4UBkNeBJ7F |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Thanks @alisonlaverfaw good to think again about this important issue #OTalk |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk When seeking feedback from clients on their experience of a test it is preferable to have the client interviewed by a different therapist than the one who undertook the assessment as some clients find it difficult to provide negative feedback to the OT who has done test |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: #OTalk When seeking feedback from clients on their experience of a test it is preferable to have the client interviewed by a different therapist than the one who undertook the assessment as some clients find it difficult to provide negative feedback to the OT who has done test |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Thank you to @alisonlaverfaw for leading a stimulating chat tonight. The transcript will be posted in a few days. Thank you to all who have contributed this evening #OTalk |
| Carolina C 🏳️🌈 @colourful_ot RT @LynneGoodacre: Be curious and keeping asking are we asking the right questions in what we are assessing #OTalk |
| Helen OTUK @Helen_OTUK #OTalk thanks @alisonlaverfaw great topic. Lots to consider. Great job keeping us in order @hooper_ek off for a walk now it is cooler. |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Extremely thought provoking as always, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Z1zTtZE0qX |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @dianecox61: Thanks @alisonlaverfaw @OTalk_ @hooper_ek great #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @BillWongOT: @shirleypearceot @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I have converted my iPad into a mini cognition assessment gadget. I sometimes would try out different games to see if they fit my work setting. #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @LynneGoodacre: Be curious and keeping asking are we asking the right questions in what we are assessing #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @DrWMB: @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Thanks I found this interesting to think about. Highlights importance of thoughtful practice and research #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @LynneGoodacre: Thanks @alisonlaverfaw good to think again about this important issue #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @OTalk_: Thank you to @alisonlaverfaw for leading a stimulating chat tonight. The transcript will be posted in a few days. Thank you to all who have contributed this evening #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @Helen_OTUK: #OTalk thanks @alisonlaverfaw great topic. Lots to consider. Great job keeping us in order @hooper_ek off for a walk now it is cooler. |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good night all @hooper_ek signing off the @OTalk account now. Hope to chat with you all again soon!! #OTalk |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 Thanks @alisonlaverfaw , sorry I got a bit distracted with the ⚽️! Some great food for thought #OTalk https://t.co/es2ueCR0I2 |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Thanks @alisonlaverfaw I’ll go take a look right now #OTalk https://t.co/ks2g0Vjl1x |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @preston_jenny: Extremely thought provoking as always, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Z1zTtZE0qX |
| Julie-Anne Lowe @julieannelowe1 RT @LynneGoodacre: Be curious and keeping asking are we asking the right questions in what we are assessing #OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw Some example questions to ask clients about OT assessments. What did you think this assessment was for? Were these assessment tasks things you would normally do?’ Did you mind being asked to do the assessment tasks?’#OTalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @preston_jenny: Thanks @alisonlaverfaw I’ll go take a look right now #OTalk https://t.co/ks2g0Vjl1x |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @julieannelowe1: Thanks @alisonlaverfaw , sorry I got a bit distracted with the ⚽️! Some great food for thought #OTalk https://t.co/es2ueCR0I2 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: Some example questions to ask clients about OT assessments. What did you think this assessment was for? Were these assessment tasks things you would normally do?’ Did you mind being asked to do the assessment tasks?’#OTalk |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff Thanks @alisonlaverfaw I need to do some reading over reserve again!! But thank u for your time tonight #otalk |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw @preston_jenny #OTalk Reference Laver-Fawcett A J, Brain L, Brodie C, Cardy L, Manaton L (2016) The Face Validity and Clinical Utility of the Activity Card Sort – United Kingdom (ACS-UK). British Journal of Occupational Therapy, 79(8) 492–504. doi:10.1177/0308022616629167. |
| Prof Diane Cox @dianecox61 RT @alisonlaverfaw: Some example questions to ask clients about OT assessments. What did you think this assessment was for? Were these assessment tasks things you would normally do?’ Did you mind being asked to do the assessment tasks?’#OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Now you are making me lazy! Much appreciated, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ay608lQ95e |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: @preston_jenny #OTalk Reference Laver-Fawcett A J, Brain L, Brodie C, Cardy L, Manaton L (2016) The Face Validity and Clinical Utility of the Activity Card Sort – United Kingdom (ACS-UK). British Journal of Occupational Therapy, 79(8) 492–504. doi:10.1177/0308022616629167. |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw Some references that may be useful #OTalk Asher I.E. (2007) Occupational Therapy Assessment Tools: An annotated index. 3rd ed. Bethesda, American Occupational Therapy Association. |
 | Clarissa @GeekyOT Just finished evaluating our new modern #boardgames group. Great feedback! Excited to present it at #TheOTShow in November. #OTalk #OccupationalTherapy #mentalhealth #forensic @RCOT_MH https://t.co/yJ3XWY2qRL |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff RT @alisonlaverfaw: Some references that may be useful #OTalk Asher I.E. (2007) Occupational Therapy Assessment Tools: Some references that may be useful #OTalk Asher I.E. (2007) Occupational Therapy Assessment Tools: An annotated index. 3rd ed. Bethesda, American Occupational Therapy Association. |
| Professor Alison Laver-Fawcett @alisonlaverfaw RT @preston_jenny: Now you are making me lazy! Much appreciated, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ay608lQ95e |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Thanks @dianecox61, I’ll do that right now @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/vudGn8MpPk |
 | Dr Sarah Mercer @pd2ot RT @GeekyOT: Just finished evaluating our new modern #boardgames group. Great feedback! Excited to present it at #TheOTShow in November. #OTalk #OccupationalTherapy #mentalhealth #forensic @RCOT_MH https://t.co/yJ3XWY2qRL |
 | Board Game Academy @BoardGameAcad RT @GeekyOT: Just finished evaluating our new modern #boardgames group. Great feedback! Excited to present it at #TheOTShow in November. #OTalk #OccupationalTherapy #mentalhealth #forensic @RCOT_MH https://t.co/yJ3XWY2qRL |
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