#OTalk Transcript
Healthcare social media transcript of the #OTalk hashtag.
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 | #OTalk @OTalk_ Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's @hooper_ek on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say hello even if you are lurking or multitasking! |
 | Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @hooper_ek I’m here hello #otalk |
 | Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Me too #OTalk |
 | Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @OTalk_: Good evening all and welcome to tonight's #OTalk Research. It's @hooper_ek on the OTalk account tonight. Who is here? Do say hello even if you are lurking or multitasking! |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @hollyflintoff glad you can join us! #OTalk https://t.co/p362ITmKQz |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Hi I'm here tonight @hooper_ek #OTalk https://t.co/bKiblMV2xp |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @LynneGoodacre good to have you with us #OTalk https://t.co/4yvvSkaLI9 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Hi @preston_jenny #OTalk https://t.co/wGWMWxBjm3 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ So tonight's #OTalk Research might be a gentle and quiet one given the football but I know that I'm looking forward to exploring the topic of face validity. We are joined by @alisonlaverfaw who is leading our talk tonight. |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Aw that’s not so good @julieannelowe1 hope you feel better soon #OTalk https://t.co/2SHvKXQ2H8 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Question 1 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/R3Flfp69Dw |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre I guess I always go with does the measure actually measure what it’s meant to measure #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Hello Alison, really interested in tonight’s talk. Thank you for agreeing to lead #OTalk https://t.co/HJMtVhXPbZ |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Great @bevsaturtle .... do feel free to post and join in rather than lurk :-) #OTalk https://t.co/MpYsWUYryh |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw If I’m honest I’m totally clueless-I attempted some research on it (no pun) but got lost #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ @colourful_ot straight in there with a good question #OTalk Perhaps @alisonlaverfaw could give her opinion? https://t.co/OfAV2xfzGF |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre The challenge is needing to look back through the literature to find this out from the initial research #OTAlk https://t.co/wAp7NBmSzN |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Thanks for joining us @dianecox61 we are just on Q1: What do you understand by the term ‘face validity’? Do you have any definitions that you have found useful? #OTalk https://t.co/Qe4Y7zxxiZ |
 | Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT Late to the party. #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny It often feels as if face validity should be less complicated but in practice it doesn't feel like that #OTalk. https://t.co/XEtQb1qdcG |
 | ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Definition of face validity from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/DERUhLmhc2 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre That last bit is the tricky bit I think @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/zqZ7DI7oZv |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @julieannelowe1: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @julieannelowe1: |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Just breath..... it will be fine @julieannelowe1 #OTalk https://t.co/YHUOG9Ge7F |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @julieannelowe1 @colourful_ot @alisonlaverfaw @otalk I feel the same way... since such as assessments are on subjective scales and norm scores. #otalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Any wisdom on how to manage the subjectivity of it? @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/iRKdclnal0 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Could it be both? @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ViAcKXrMs7 |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw I think it maybe good to occasionally have some team meetings to discuss scoring to see if others on team agrees. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @julieannelowe1: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It looks like the question of defining face validity has got our discussion hats on but we need to move on with the chat into Q2 if that's OK @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre It’s really interesting when you go back to the original paper to see how the questions were generated and by who #OTalk |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Could the subjectivity be standardised? Is that a daft question? #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is why it's good that we can have Tweetchats like this @colourful_ot .... it's good to come from a place of questioning what we think we might know & what we feel confused about! #OTalk https://t.co/VR4f7EBGqQ |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Well the first phase of the development of outcomes tries to do that #OTalk https://t.co/rIQD11nToZ |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It sounds like it's a complex process to unpick and define! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/uTJu7geDIK |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @colourful_ot I’m so confused this week.... more reading needed from me I think #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Good question @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/BJKr7BdOw2 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ OK so now we have more of an idea about face validity here's Q2 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Bxotl8dJYE |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ It's not a bad thing to be challenged on a hot Tuesday evening!! Good CPD :-) @hollyflintoff #OTalk https://t.co/560seTzn1Y |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that what makes it so interesting and important for us to understand? Dare I say it but perhaps we do sometimes administer assessments without thinking this through properly @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/PZlRpk4AFz |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @hollyflintoff Nothing compared to Los Angeles though. I think we will be at around 40 Celsius by week’s end! #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good comment @LynneGoodacre #OTalk https://t.co/coW3aIH4QF |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I would imagine it’s because you would need to know what u think u know before u use an assessment tool? Does that make sense? #otalk |
 | Clairy💙Fairy ☮️🏳️🌈💚 @clairelfairy RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @preston_jenny @alisonlaverfaw Or sometimes we do so much that we go on auto pilot! #otalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre I wonder how often we are familiar with how a measure was developed in the first place, or do we just loook at the questions and decide if they look right or not? #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw That’s also very true #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw For sure- sure every patient in my setting might be assessed with one assessment. But then I think about what else might be appropriate during their plan of care (given I can keep track of their progress). #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @julieannelowe1: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Makes perfect sense to me @hollyflintoff #OTalk https://t.co/bjAkB7B4hA |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Yes like a multi-pronged attack-as it were #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw And another one could be- how well do the patients really fit certain scoring criteria? #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @LynneGoodacre: When I started using outcomes the measures were developed on the basis of what health prof. Thought it was important to measure. They were often wrong #OTalk https://t.co/c3n6EDYb6v |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @hollyflintoff @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw Yeah- unfortunately for me is not always a given because I get my workplaces change so much! #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to complete it! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ERsBXFXNwI |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre This is often a rationale for using non standardised assessment @DrWMB sometimes decisions need to be made if we are to collect reliable data #OTalk https://t.co/fsDKC8fPHF |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Q3 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/y8Z50XaEgf |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @OTalk_: This is a really good point. It's sometimes good to be on the 'receiving end' of a test in order to experience how it feels to complete it! @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ERsBXFXNwI |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @julieannelowe1: |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny I totally agree @LynneGoodacre. That was one of the best things about completing my PhD, I really got to grips with the preferred assessment in a way that I had never considered fully in clinical practice @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/c6rbYDgFHx |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I had that experience with the COPM and the Allen Cognitive Level screen. The ACLS exposed some of my “weaknesses”... lol! #otalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @OTalk_: Q3 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/y8Z50XaEgf |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/hPmuSb964B |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre But do you think we do the same in routine practice #OTalk https://t.co/PDrnX35E17 |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @preston_jenny @alisonlaverfaw Classic case will be peds for sure. We look at age and what skills we might want to assess. Then we think about the assessment. #otalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Totally accept that some assessments are stressful but skilled therapists should be able to help with this and talking about the outcome is more about the therapist than the test #OTAlk https://t.co/UazQziPsbd |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Not routinely in my experience @LynneGoodacre but definitely something we need to encourage @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/YmeR7c1zVi |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @DrWMB @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw I once had a 500+ question personality test during my neurological testing. That is overwhelming when they throw one test after another... and this test is only one of them! #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @preston_jenny: Isn't that the danger @BillWongOT that we use assessments determined by the setting and not by the client's needs @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/hPmuSb964B |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Also if the correct assessment is being used and the client understands the rationale for this then it helps eliminate some of the stress @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/7zfvgloaGo |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre It’s hard to find standard assessments that ask every question we want to ask but that doesn’t mean we can use them as a component of assessment and ask other questions #OTAlk https://t.co/SQNgb6hEhm |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ @chrisbowdenOT @alisonlaverfaw Don't forget the #OTalk @chrisbowdenOT |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Do you think we have made much progress since then @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/yJMYRcaxck |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre When I was developing an outcome we conducted a lot of qual research with clients first over many months to make sure we were asking questions important to them #OTalk and refining them down with client input |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @colourful_ot @OTalk_ @alisonlaverfaw The ACLS was hard for me already when the OT did it on me. In the administrator position, my poor praxis made it even harder! #otalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: Question 4: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @Helen_OTUK @preston_jenny @LynneGoodacre @alisonlaverfaw Good question- I think we need flexible options for clinicians. Not everyone have means and/or desires to go for doctorates. #otalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good point @Helen_OTUK #OTalk https://t.co/WLtJxqvVHh |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in the early literature #OTalk https://t.co/EExud3Tobh |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @DrWMB: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Q4 from @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/JBvRXyYBsF |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I see that with the trails making test. Familiarity with the assessment- patient might remember where each dot is! Hence faster completion time! #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Not at all @Helen_OTUK it doesn't require a PhD, it just gave me the luxury of having time to really understand the assessment before I used it. Do we always read the chapters on the development of the tool ... I wonder 🤔#OTalk https://t.co/nBwqAFwQrk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @LynneGoodacre: Don’t need a PhD but do need to get curious about how we’re the questions in this outcome developed. It will all e in the early literature #OTalk https://t.co/EExud3Tobh |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @julieannelowe1: |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Is this a plea for more research in this area? @alisonlaverfaw #Otalk https://t.co/CCHrWITkr1 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre @Helen_OTUK Sorry about misspelling football getting a bit tense! It will be in the early literature #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Are you multitasking tonight @LynneGoodacre ?! #OTalk https://t.co/Az9R6PGjSf |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Is there football on tonight ... only kidding, it's not being screened here in Scotland!! #Otalk https://t.co/6W3NedNPwm |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ This is interesting @shirleypearceot Perhaps demonstrates the value of functional assessment? #OTalk https://t.co/izwTHQTiZz |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Isn't that a whole different aspect of validity and learned responses? #Otalk https://t.co/SSJeoaFPH6 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre I haven’t but it was done in rheumatology and led to the development of several PROMS which were much more client focused and emphasised the importance of assessing fatigue as well as pain #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ We are within our last 10 minutes of chat now #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT https://t.co/TMCYnP3KNJ info on test retest reliability, and validity, etc. #OTalk |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ A good model to follow highlighted here by @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/R2JCL76zp7 |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Interesting so if face validity was established in the initial development & then such qual work says something different which is right #OTalk https://t.co/HqVab2D1S7 |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @BillWongOT: https://t.co/TMCYnP3KNJ info on test retest reliability, and validity, etc. #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @DrWMB Now that there is app version of the trails making test. Perhaps it maybe a good idea to see if randomization of dots can help erase this type of concern... though that can be another study in itself. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT #OTalk https://t.co/NURYbjB2sw |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @shirleypearceot: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Last question from @alisonlaverfaw for our final 5 minutes of chat #OTalk https://t.co/RvxBdIrkYE |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co/4UBkNeBJ7F |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB I think it is good to know all the possible ones that might work for the setting than you are in. Then you can pick and choose rather than going off by suggestions from colleagues. #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw @shirleypearceot For sure. I don’t think I use that test only. Sometimes I also like to use my own gadgets (but by no means standardized assessments) to try to confirm my clinical reasonings. #otalk |
 | Pam Watkins💙 @PWtherapist RT @julieannelowe1: |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @shirleypearceot @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw Or in the case with the MBI- it is picking the most appropriate number for each particular item. Sometimes that can be guess work, though! #otalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT RT @DrWMB: |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @DrWMB: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Time is eluding us now folks. Any final thoughts before we close the chat? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @shirleypearceot @colourful_ot @julieannelowe1 @alisonlaverfaw @LynneGoodacre @DrWMB I think placements experiences (and now social media) can help anyone find out what assessments are appropriate to use in our respective settings. #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny That’s really interesting, has this work been published as I’d be keen to look at this for my own service? @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/0SWPhYkdR8 |
| Bill Wong, OTD, OTR/L @BillWongOT @shirleypearceot @DrWMB @alisonlaverfaw I have converted my iPad into a mini cognition assessment gadget. I sometimes would try out different games to see if they fit my work setting. #otalk |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Be curious and keeping asking are we asking the right questions in what we are assessing #OTalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @preston_jenny: This is an interesting approach @alisonlaverfaw was this as part of a research study or in practice? #Otalk https://t.co/4UBkNeBJ7F |
| Dr Lynne Goodacre 💙 @LynneGoodacre Thanks @alisonlaverfaw good to think again about this important issue #OTalk |
| ElspethOT @Els_OT RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Thank you to @alisonlaverfaw for leading a stimulating chat tonight. The transcript will be posted in a few days. Thank you to all who have contributed this evening #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Extremely thought provoking as always, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/Z1zTtZE0qX |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ Good night all @hooper_ek signing off the @OTalk account now. Hope to chat with you all again soon!! #OTalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Thanks @alisonlaverfaw I’ll go take a look right now #OTalk https://t.co/ks2g0Vjl1x |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff Thanks @alisonlaverfaw I need to do some reading over reserve again!! But thank u for your time tonight #otalk |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Now you are making me lazy! Much appreciated, thank you @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/ay608lQ95e |
| #OTalk @OTalk_ RT @alisonlaverfaw: |
| Holly Flintoff @hollyflintoff RT @alisonlaverfaw: Some references that may be useful #OTalk Asher I.E. (2007) Occupational Therapy Assessment Tools: |
| Dr Jenny Preston MBE @preston_jenny Thanks @dianecox61, I’ll do that right now @alisonlaverfaw #OTalk https://t.co/vudGn8MpPk |
 | Board Game Academy @BoardGameAcad RT @GeekyOT: |
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