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physiotalk @physiotalk
@sas1933 Indeed you have! We'll be starting very shortly... #physiotalk
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Good evening and welcome to the first #Physiotalk chat of 2018!
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I'll not be asking about your NY resolutions - as I know they will be to host a #Physiotalk - Yes?! https://t.co/KO7cU96aWh
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
RT @physiotalk: I'll not be asking about your NY resolutions - as I know they will be to host a #Physiotalk - Yes?! https://t.co/KO7cU96aWh
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If you are joining in, lurking or whatever - can you say hello! #physiotalk
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A reminder to anyone taking part to include the hashtag #Physiotalk in all your tweets. That way we can all follow the conversation Thank you!
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk Good evening #physiotalk . Tea is almost drunk, and fingers are limbered. Looking forward to some creative discussions around R&R!
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@_JoeMiddleton Evening - I'm just stating my cuppa! #Physiotalk
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or even starting - my fingers not nimble obviously! #physiotalk
James Pearson @jimmypeo17
@physiotalk Good evening all and happy new year! #physiotalk
Alice Cook @AliceCook22
First day back to uni and now the first #Physiotalk of 2018 🤗
Fasuba Ayobami @e_fasuba
@physiotalk #physiotalk Hello colleagues, Happy New Year... Love from Nigeria
Fasuba Ayobami @e_fasuba
RT @physiotalk: A reminder to anyone taking part to include the hashtag #Physiotalk in all your tweets. That way we can all follow the conv…
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@e_fasuba Welcome - I'm sure you have a little more heat than the -2C I've got in Edinburgh... #physiotalk
KB @KBNeuroinfo
#physiotalk hi from Wales
Blaithín Hadjisophocleous (she/her) @Blaithin_H
@physiotalk Tea in hand, dog on lap, hello from Manchester 🤓 #physiotalk
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Lets get going with the first #Physiotalk question of 2018....
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To get us started... What issues have you experienced in recruitment at the moment? #Physiotalk
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I'll also say that we'll put in at least one poll tonight as well - so watch out! #Physiotalk
Fasuba Ayobami @e_fasuba
@physiotalk #physiotalk https://t.co/oPoZiS5zyx
Chad Redgrave @chad_redgrave
Evening all, happy new year, looking forward to discussions #Physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk No supply, particularly at band 5 and 6 levels. New grads are mostly securing jobs in the new year/spring, meaning that posts can remain vacant for months, and months, and months. #physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk We struggled with B6 earlier this year as well. #physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@physiotalk Attracting #physios to specialise in community rehab as they don’t tend to understand how amazing it is! It tends to be seen as boring or Physios don’t always understand the impact it can have #physiotalk
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@_JoeMiddleton Are you getting no applicants at all - or just not meeting the criteria? #Physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@physiotalk @DrTherapies you might be interested in following #physiotalk on Recruitment tonight
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@JanetThomas47 @physiotalk Been scraping through by the skin of our teeth for band 6s. About to have 75% of band 5 posts vacant, and 2 (maybe 3) unsuccessful attempts at recruiting #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@RebeccaTD @physiotalk Community Rehab is where you really develop your physio skills not boring rewarding #Physiotalk
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@_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 Not good! Can anyone else say if they are finding the same issues? Would be good to get a picture if national or just local issues #Physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk Very few applicants. Most are automatically rejected by NHS Jobs/staff services. They 1 or 2 that are left have not been meeting the standards expected. #physiotalk
Blaithín Hadjisophocleous (she/her) @Blaithin_H
@physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton In cases I've seen, not enough applicants which sometimes drives teams to employing people who don't meet all the essential criteria - manpower over quality? #physiotalk
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@_JoeMiddleton Why automatically rejected? Do you not shortlist or is that central?? #physiotalk
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@Blaithin_H @_JoeMiddleton Why are people not meeting essential criteria shortlisted? #Physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Are calendar cycles the only issue/barrier? Is competition from other local employers a factor too? How about retention? #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk We do shortlist, but applicants who do not have the necessary legal stuff to work here are automatically screened out (at least I assume that is what is happening!) #physiotalk
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@RebeccaTD @Blaithin_H @_JoeMiddleton don't forget the hashtag :) #physiotalk
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#physiotalk https://t.co/n51e5n9IYs
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 From what I hear it’s hard work recruiting into traditionally easier to fill acute posts across most levels, and even harder again in community #physiotalk
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What Band of qualified physio staff are you having most issues with for recruitment #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@NaomiMcVey @physiotalk Our retention is generally excellent. Band 5s will either stay with us as band 6s, or will move on after 2+ years. Currently we seem to have no hope of recruiting until Spring, and then have to wait for the final year student to qualify in the summer! #physiotalk
Blaithín Hadjisophocleous (she/her) @Blaithin_H
@physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton In a desparate attempt to meet service needs and tackle waiting lists e.g. some teams unable to recruit band 7's end up recruiting band 6's etc leading to leaderless environments #notfun #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Majority of our grads had jobs before qualifying, many had several options. Most that didn’t was down to personal choice over where they wanted to work (waiting for job to come up) or taking some time out. Same for last couple of years #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@Blaithin_H @physiotalk I can understand this, but it is very bad practice. The governance implications are huge. #physiotalk
physiotalk @physiotalk
So reports of 5, 6 and 7 posts being difficult to fill - see poll I've just tweeted out so we can get a sense of whats is most difficult #physiotalk
RunningPhysio @tomgoom
RT @physiotalk: What Band of qualified physio staff are you having most issues with for recruitment #physiotalk
HelenTurner @helenturn86
@physiotalk Finding Band 5’s moving onto Band 6 posts MUCH quicker than in previous years, meaning more junior teams but also constant recruitment/vacancies #Physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 We have struggled at B5 and B6 level. As soon as you recruit, others leave #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@Blaithin_H @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton And once those posts are gone, they’re gone. Opportunities to actually have a career progression path get squeezed further #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@bendotellis @physiotalk When I qualified (2005), it was a 'buyers' market, and competition for jobs was fierce. many of the people I trained with never got jobs, and had to move on to different careers. Complete reverse now. New grads hold the power!!! #physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
I think most of our grads have got jobs as well - but equally I don't know of Band 5 posts being unfilled in my area either #Physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@sas1933 @physiotalk Yes, exactly. #physiotalk
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@AlexMacKenzie11 @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 Leave the NHS or just move onto a new area? #Physiotalk
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We've started answering the next q - so I'll pose it now anyway! #Physiotalk
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Does this differ between grades? Is there enough new grads but you are struggling for Band 7 staff? #physiotalk
Chad Redgrave @chad_redgrave
How to retain experienced 6s who don't want traditional 7 roles? #Physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@physiotalk Not enough new grads #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk (Assuming the NHS still exists in 3 years time with Hunt continuing as Health Sec!) #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk Band 7 vacancies come up less often, so there is usually a ready supply of people ready and waiting to step up. That being said, I am aware of some lager trusts (esp. in London) who have really struggled to recruit to band 7/8a posts. #physiotalk
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a bit of a hashtag reminder! Remember to include #Physiotalk in all your tweets please
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @physiotalk With respect what do you mean by power? #physiotalk still need to meet essential job criteria or no?
Blaithín Hadjisophocleous (she/her) @Blaithin_H
@physiotalk @AlexMacKenzie11 @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 Many leaving the NHS to go into private practice - morale can be quite low in some NHS Trusts with the decreasing funding and increasing pressures #physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Ahem - we don't all have Hunt as our health secretary! #Physiotalk
Emily Stowe @stowe_emily
@physiotalk Very few applicants for jobs in a specialist field outside the NHS (hospice setting) #physiotalk
KB @KBNeuroinfo
#physiotalk Gap at Band 6 level, limited resource
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk But yeah, not enough grads. The growth in physiotherapy as a profession (including the ever growing diversity of career paths) has increased demand, and supply it too far behind (and not responding quick enough) #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@chad_redgrave I think there are many more ways to be creative with roles. We have job-shares, split roles, variety of hours etc and different areas #physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@Blaithin_H @physiotalk @AlexMacKenzie11 @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 So how to make NHS more attractive #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Possibly due to % of role that is often managerial at B7 these days? Would be interested to know if more clinical roles are easier to recruit to? #physiotalk
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@KBNeuroinfo Yep - I've only just launched the poll and Band 6 is leading the way for recruitment issues! #Physiotalk
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@_JoeMiddleton i thin some North West Trusts struggling too #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@sas1933 @bendotellis @physiotalk Of course, but the if they do meet the criteria, they will likely have the pick of who they want to work for. Trusts are having to sell (and incentivise) working for them so much more than a decade ago #physiotalk
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So we can see difficulty is recruiting - lack of applicants seems to be an issue So onto retaining staff - next q coming up #Physiotalk
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What about retaining your staff – are they leaving (and why?) #Physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Not necessarily #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@physiotalk @KBNeuroinfo Interesting fact 60% of RTP AHP including physio were working at B6 and above #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@AlexMacKenzie11 @physiotalk The shortfall is something like 500 annually isn’t it based on workforce projections? @RobYeldham would know #physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@AlexMacKenzie11 @bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Not in my experience either #physiotalk
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@PaulChapman09 @KBNeuroinfo Ahead of the game - next q is about RTP :) #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk Indeed. @BTHTherapies had to go to Dubai to get staff! #physiotalk
Anya Lotay @AnyaPhysio1417
@physiotalk recruiting band 5s and 6s but them leaving to other jobs which are more desirable to them #physiotalk #recruitment
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Boom and bust model long gone #physiotalk see info on CSP website re howamy physios we need to to join the profession each year. Sorry don't have link to hand
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@_JoeMiddleton @BTHTherapies Do we know if that was a success? #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@sas1933 @Blaithin_H @physiotalk @AlexMacKenzie11 @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 Invest in it! #physiotalk
Anya Lotay @AnyaPhysio1417
@physiotalk minimal universities nearby the hospital despite it being a teaching hospital #physiotalk
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@AnyaPhysio1417 Do most of you find that you recruit B5 who have been with you as a student on placement? #Physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk @BTHTherapies I do believe it was. I'm told that Ireland has a surplus of physios, so we are considering exploring that as a potential supply #physiotalk
KB @KBNeuroinfo
Lots of varying opportunities within and outside traditional NHS available once experienced for Band 6s, they hold the power #physiotalk
Anya Lotay @AnyaPhysio1417
@physiotalk band 5s tend to stay but band 6, 7 and above appear to move to more specialised units #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@physiotalk @KBNeuroinfo Just warming up #physiotalk :)
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk @BTHTherapies We already have a few Irish physios but they tend to have qualified in Scotland in the first place #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Haha! True. You’ll still feel the impact though. Hadrian’s wall can’t ptotect you from a Tory government completely!! #physiotalk
Blaithín Hadjisophocleous (she/her) @Blaithin_H
How to make the NHS more attractive to work in?... https://t.co/aPC0gWeKKn
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@bendotellis @sas1933 @Blaithin_H @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 Offer a variety of different working patterns to suit people. In Acute hospital we do have some staff working 12hr shifts (by choice), early start with early finish, evening work etc #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk @BTHTherapies We also have a number of North American students training here too, but they can’t stay due to visa restrictions #physiotalk
Sam Haworth-Booth @SamHBooth
@RebeccaTD @Blaithin_H @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Completely agree. The wrong post for the person can be demoralising for that person - it's not just about geting bums on seats #physiotalk
kelly turner 💙 @kellyvturner81
@physiotalk Big shortfall in band 6s at the moment. Especially struggling to attract external band 6s. #physiotalk
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@AlexMacKenzie11 @JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @BTHTherapies Do you know what the restrictions are - as @BTHTherapies just recruited from abroad #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@JanetThomas47 @AlexMacKenzie11 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Thanks, interesting what motivates people to go for jobs or not. My partner top of B6 now, part-time, what’s the incentive to take a B7 role? #physiotalk
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RT @bendotellis: @JanetThomas47 @AlexMacKenzie11 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Thanks, interesting what motivates people to go for jobs or not…
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So - onto the final part of the 3Rs return to practice #Physiotalk
kelly turner 💙 @kellyvturner81
@physiotalk As we push towards 7 day service and longer shifts, we are seeing staff leave for jobs which are mon- fri. #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk I think we’re 500 odd shy if I remember correctly. But s number of courses have increased numbers this year and some will again next & with several new courses coming on stream there will be more grads in 2-3 years #physiotalk
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How about return to practice – do you have many staff that have decided to return to practice after a career break? #Physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@physiotalk @JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @BTHTherapies It depends where from abroad and what their visa is. From EU it is fine. Outwith there is the rule about needing to earn over £30k pa etc #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@physiotalk National Programme has 30 interested in returning so far #physiotalk
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@BTHTherapies @_JoeMiddleton Linked to this tweet @AlexMacKenzie11 #Physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@physiotalk In the past 18 months we have had 3 - one started RTP today #Physiotalk
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@PaulChapman09 Do you have to go through the national programme (is that NHS England?) #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk If the demand then drops (maybe we have a deep recession after Brexit requiring swingeing cuts to health say) then we’ll be back supplying more than the demand! The economy is always cyclical and we are in hoc to it #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@AlexMacKenzie11 @physiotalk are they part of the national programme?#physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@bendotellis @sas1933 @physiotalk By which time, existing posts will have been downgraded to B4 or just cut, as they were vacant for so long, and services have 'coped'; so there will be grads who can't get jobs! #physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk It didn't seem to be like this in the past though? When I qualified in the mid 80s seemed pretty equal supply and demand #Physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk @BTHTherapies longer term would physiotherapy apprenticeships help 'grow your own' supply? #physiotalk
Chad Redgrave @chad_redgrave
Any particular specialties that have biggest recruitment / retention issues? #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@physiotalk HEE supported at present sorry but happy to share the learning outside England #physiotalk
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@JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton Although very different times when most would leave to have families (aka me!) although of course I did come back eventually! #Physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@NaomiMcVey @physiotalk @BTHTherapies Yes. Potentially. #physiotalk
Sam Haworth-Booth @SamHBooth
@physiotalk I can foresee problems with numbers for band 7 posts over he next few years as first contact development spreads. I'm not sure that there has been enough training placements commissioned to fulfill the requirements #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@JackAChew watch out #physiotalk are trying to muscle in on your Rs action #ooer https://t.co/xT8tb3ZasE
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk although very different times as most would leave to start family (aka me!) although I have now of course returned to practice! #Physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
Sorry #physiotalk https://t.co/IMAtyjXe5D
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#Physiotalk https://t.co/ESxDRuRJTi
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk No. We tried supporting someone who was RtP, but were not overly confident in the @The_HCPC 's requirements and guidance #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@chad_redgrave Our particular areas of difficulty are remote and rural and mental health, but also lack of numbers to general rotations #Physiotalk
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@bendotellis @JackAChew I thought that when I tweeted it! Think recruit, retain and return are slightly different though.... #Physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk The secret is the support we can now provide #physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk i think there are a number of us who have looked for & moved to different, more flexible roles in absence of these within clinical practice #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 @physiotalk You’re bang on. We’re very bad as a profession at protecting roles and career structures when we can’t recruit to them #physiotalk
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@PaulChapman09 @JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton Which is....?? (Sorry I'm not aware of the RTP help!) #Physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 @physiotalk needs properly articulated/documented & evidenced risk management -identify, rate, mitigate etc #physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
#physiotalk how easy was it, is it, for people to return to practice? Personal experience was it was a question of who I knew, not people looking at my experience or knowledge base.
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RT @sas1933: #physiotalk how easy was it, is it, for people to return to practice? Personal experience was it was a question of who I knew,…
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@JanetThomas47 @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk A much more nationalised system then though, huge growth in roles after investment with new labour, but marketisation of both health and HE sectors #physiotalk
Cathy Omahony @OmahonyCathy
RT @physiotalk: What Band of qualified physio staff are you having most issues with for recruitment #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@sas1933 Not now https://t.co/Xfvxmu7nxP #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@physiotalk @JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @sas1933 @_JoeMiddleton https://t.co/Xfvxmu7nxP #physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@NaomiMcVey @bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 @physiotalk There are pressures to justify vacant posts as Trusts are monitored on vacancy rates. Downgrading them or recruiting the ‘good enough’ candidates can create very complex working environments #physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@physiotalk @PaulChapman09 @JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton Return to practice #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@BTHTherapies @physiotalk @JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton Interested in that as we have had no success with visa discussion via recruitment #physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@sas1933 I returned to practice pre HCPC (and I had still done the odd on calls actually so not strictly a RTP) I was offered a job, went in on a Monday and started.... #Physiotalk
Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47
@sas1933 I do realise it would be different now - and no bad thing! #Physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@JanetThomas47 @sas1933 HCPC have guidance driven by proof of updating of skills and knowledge #physiotalk
Kerrie Hopson @kerrie_hopson
@sas1933 #physiotalk I found it quite hard. Applied to several places. Only one replied. I worked as a volunteer to do my 30 days reregistration and self funded courses.
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@sas1933 @PaulChapman09 @JanetThomas47 @bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton Sorry - I meant what help was being offered for RTP! #Physiotalk
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@RebeccaTD @NaomiMcVey @bendotellis @_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 absolutely- hence why so important to identify/document the range of risk & issues? #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@PaulChapman09 @sas1933 I would argue that the vague and relatively limited requirements that @The_HCPC put on people returning to practice, makes it difficult to meet the standards required for many jobs #physiotalk
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10 mins to go - onto the next question #Physiotalk
Chad Redgrave @chad_redgrave
What do we think about education and training of non physio extended skills at aidong retention? #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@SamHBooth @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk No I meant management. Leadership’s fine (if wildly overused as a phrase these days!) it’s the management that turns many off (may just be speaking for myself here to be fair, but I was at a point where only progress route within Trust was more management, so I left) #physiotalk
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What do you expect as on-going recruitment challenges (for those in the UK dare we mention Brexit here!) #Physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 @The_HCPC It works and is successful. Returnee declares competency just I will need to do in May 18 #physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@kerrie_hopson @sas1933 I have been contacted directly for RtW requests and actively supported these after an informal telephone interview to find out more as well as reviewing a CV #physiotalk
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RT @chad_redgrave: What do we think about education and training of non physio extended skills at aidong retention? #Physiotalk
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And as a secondary question - how can we plan to avoid under or over supply of new grads... #Physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@physiotalk @RebeccaTD @NaomiMcVey @_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 Yes agree. Bizarrely in health we see hard-to-recruit-to roles as ideal for downbanding rather than needing additional incentive to recruit to! #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@RebeccaTD @kerrie_hopson @sas1933 If in England we can help now with funding and support https://t.co/Xfvxmu7nxP #physiotalk
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RT @PaulChapman09: @sas1933 Not now https://t.co/Xfvxmu7nxP #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk Exactly. I doubt many people embarked on careers as physiotherapists, with the end goal being management! *obviously there are many exceptional managers who also physios #physiotalk
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RT @PaulChapman09: @RebeccaTD @kerrie_hopson @sas1933 If in England we can help now with funding and support https://t.co/Xfvxmu7nxP #physi…
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@RebeccaTD @NaomiMcVey @_JoeMiddleton @sas1933 @physiotalk Agree, common problem. Do you recruit the potential disaster or continue struggling along with no-one? #physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@physiotalk #resilience to deal with pressures, change environment, KPIs/performance, teams with less organisational memory. #EmotionalIntelligence skills being actively developed and Trust is running Management for Band 6s internal courses #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@PaulChapman09 @sas1933 @The_HCPC Could have done with knowing about you and HEE's RTP support a couple of years ago!!! #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@physiotalk Dare one mention proper workforce planning?! #physiotalk
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@AlexMacKenzie11 Certainly! #Physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk physio careers can take us to lots of interesting management roles :) #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@RobYeldham @AlexMacKenzie11 @physiotalk Cheers Rob, thought it was 500 #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@AlexMacKenzie11 @physiotalk LoL #physiotalk
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Thanks Rob #Physiotalk https://t.co/gvdIAwLWHr
KB @KBNeuroinfo
@_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk Also need to consider the diversity of roles at Band 7 #physiotalk
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@AlexMacKenzie11 is there evidence from other countries & sectors about what proper workforce planning is and how effective it is? #physiotalk @Prof_IeuanEllis
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
@NaomiMcVey @_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk and away from the clinical setting #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@NaomiMcVey @_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk Our skill set make us ideal for many problem solving management roles, but many physios don’t want to lose patient contact #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@NaomiMcVey @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk Agree. However, when the bright-eyed and bushy-tailed Naomi started her first day as a qualified physiotherapist, did she have her sights set on a management role? (please say no, else you will ruin my point!!!) #physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@bendotellis @JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Another factor is NHS is not the only option, there are routes via research, social enterprises, charities, social care, let alone private and independent. The workforce graduate supply have many more options than previously #physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@NaomiMcVey @_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk I never planned to end up where I have. The more teams I manage the larger impact I feel I have in Physiotherapy. I keep my hand in for practical skills where possible but can’t have my cake and eat it 🍰 #physiotalk
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Our final few minutes - so time for one last question #Physiotalk
Pam Watkins💙 @PWtherapist
@physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton @JanetThomas47 #physiotalk also having difficulty recruiting to posts . Band 5 Posts on constant re advert . Majority of CVs very poor when you do get any.
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What have you done to promote recruitment and retention in your area? #Physiotalk
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@_JoeMiddleton @NaomiMcVey @bendotellis @SamHBooth errr - well... went to a policy meeting on back pain attended by the then minister of health when I was a student, loved service improvement from day 1 as a member of staff... #physiotalk
Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@sas1933 @bendotellis @JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk And workforce plans need to acknowledge that #physiotalk
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I've certainly seen more posts promoted through Twitter for example #Physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk Well thankfully our EU physios can stay post-Brexit. Ongoing challenges will continue to be mismatch in supply:demand, and the NHS becoming a less and less attractive option #physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk errr - well... went to a policy meeting on back pain attended by the then minister of health when I was a student, loved service improvement from day 1 as a member of staff... #physiotalk
Anya Lotay @AnyaPhysio1417
@physiotalk I think new grads are reluctant to work in the NHS therefore even though the grads are there, they're not going into jobs! Lots of bad publicity about overworked underpaid staff probably has a lot to do with it. Need to find a way to make it more appealing. any ideas? #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk The NHS got a lot of mileage out of being the standard, expected career path for new physiotherapists. Not any more. #physiotalk
Ben Ellis @bendotellis
@SamHBooth @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk It was certainly my experience as a B7 doing a job previously done by a B8 in order to avoid the undoing of 5 years of work developing a team! #physiotalk
Rebecca Dunkerley @RebeccaTD
@physiotalk #GoldenHellos #ReferAFriend #RelocationPackages as well as investing in #visas and once recruited having a very positive induction and engaging in training and supporting development as time and Budget allows #physiotalk
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Alex Mackenzie 💙 She/her @AlexMacKenzie11
@physiotalk Used social media. Hold B5 interviews in the university. Look at adapting new job roles if possible. Change rotations to include hard to recruit to areas #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@NaomiMcVey @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk Okay, well... there is obviously always exceptions!!! #physiotalk
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And that's the hour up! #Physiotalk
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That's for an interesting chat - lots to ponder #Physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@physiotalk Thanks all look forward to the summary #physiotalk
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Keep on chatting and we'll post the transcript in a little while #Physiotalk
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And remember - we are looking for chat hosts and topics Make #Physiotalk your New years Resolution! https://t.co/KO7cU96aWh
Chad Redgrave @chad_redgrave
Really interesting hour, lots to think and discuss thank you 😊#Physiotalk
Shan Aguilar-Stone @sas1933
@_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk So how can the NHS rise to the challenge of being first choice? #physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk tbh I thought I was going to be a paediatric physio the whole time I was at uni, was only the influence of inspiring clinicians & commissioners that changed my mind once working #physiotalk
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Keep answering the poll but B6 still in the lead! #physiotalk https://t.co/wFROfHnPQ5
Anya Lotay @AnyaPhysio1417
@sas1933 @bendotellis @JanetThomas47 @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk More options seems to have led to less recruitment into NHS jobs, meaning NHS physio workforces are under staffed and under more pressure. could non-NHS services link up and support this gap in staff? is this feasible? #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@physiotalk Workforce planning. Based on good science and data. Everything is predictable with enough data. #physiotalk
Naomi McVey 🐝 @NaomiMcVey
@_JoeMiddleton @bendotellis @SamHBooth @physiotalk ...i developed a real love for service & quality improvement, and young kids meant I needed flexible working - and fortunately that's led to some really interesting jobs #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@sas1933 @physiotalk Enforced National (Health) Service. Seriously though, I just don't know that if it can anymore.... :( #physiotalk
Paul_Chapman09 @PaulChapman09
Happy to speak with service leads in England who can support potential RTP or any service leads currently supporting returnee physios There is funding for this now my email is paul.chapman@hee.nhs.uk #physiotalk
Kerrie Hopson @kerrie_hopson
@PaulChapman09 @RebeccaTD @sas1933 Ah that's great. Too late for me now, but great for others #physiotalk
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RT @kerrie_hopson: @PaulChapman09 @RebeccaTD @sas1933 Ah that's great. Too late for me now, but great for others #physiotalk
Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
@sas1933 @physiotalk Enforced National (Health) Service. Seriously though, I just don't know that it can anymore.... :( #physiotalk
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Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton
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