#PhysioTalk Transcript
Healthcare social media transcript of the #PhysioTalk hashtag.
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 | physiotalk @physiotalk Good evening and welcome to tonights #physiotalk on #FirstContactPhysio Can we start with hellos and where you are from! |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Remember to use the hashtag #physiotalk in all of your tweets tonight It allows everyone to follow the discussion AND it means the tweets are in the transcript afterwards |
 | Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB Hi good evening Laura here UK in Surrey currently #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB Thank you for joining us! #physiotalk |
 | Mari @mariand84 @physiotalk Hello from Sweden! Mari here working in primary care. #physiotalk |
 | Janet Thomas @JanetThomas47 I'm on the #physiotalk account tonight from a chilly Edinburgh |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk looking forward to this following on from @CSPSouthEast event today #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
 | Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @physiotalk Katie from Sussex #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @CSPSouthEast The day looked interesting! Just been reviewing the tweets from the event! #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @CSPSouthEast yes was very good and some great discussions #physiotalk |
 | Rob Yeldham (he/him) @RobYeldham RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk looking forward to this following on from @CSPSouthEast event today #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
 | Yvette @Yvette10440772 #physiotalk Hi am new to twitter and am a private physio working as an FCP |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @CSPSouthEast Hopefully we can get a flavour of the same discussions during tonights #physiotalk |
 | Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 Good evening! My name is Scott and I'm a Physio working in a Frailty Team called @SquadRuh at the RUH in Bath @PTOTSLTDietAHPs #physiotalk |
 | Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk Trying to pay attention in stoke. #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @Yvette10440772 Welcome Yvette! #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @Yvette10440772 Welcome to #physiotalk Great to have you joining us |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @Yvette10440772 welcome! brave start to twitter so good stuff! #physiotalk |
| Rob Yeldham (he/him) @RobYeldham Will join for a while, can folk use #FirstContactPhysio as well as #physiotalk tonight? It will help @thecsp work on this. |
 | KB @KBNeuroinfo Hi from South Wales #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @RobYeldham @thecsp We'll pull a #physiotalk transcript of course! |
 | Gemma Pugh @Gemma_Pugh_ RT @physiotalk: TODAY We'll be tweet chatting at 8.30pm all about #FirstContactPhysio Join in with #physiotalk whether you are a #FCP, thinking about it, developing a service, aspiring to be an FCP or just interested! https://t.co/uZx25HWOQe |
 | Lewis Lovegrove @_lewadam @physiotalk Lewis (physio student), lurking tonight from Lincs #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Ok - lets get going with question one.... #physiotalk |
 | Ruth ten Hove @RtHphysio Hi Ruth @RtHphysio hello everyone #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Just to have a look first at how wide #FirstContactPhysio is … Does your local area have a FCP service? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk And if it does, can you tell us a little about it! #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk we are currently running a pilot #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
 | Eily @eilymcc @physiotalk Good morning from Melbourne, on my way to work on the train 🌎 #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @_lewadam @physiotalk Don't just lurk! Your questions & contributions will be just as valuable as everyone else! #physiotalk |
| Mari @mariand84 @physiotalk In Sweden many patients go to a physiotherapist first if problems with the muskuloskeletal system #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB Can you give us any details - just started?? #physiotalk |
 | Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk I do a FCP service at 2 practices and West Cumbria is a pilot site #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB we have 3 FCP's working in 2 GP practices 4 sessions per week , 20 minute appointments #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
 | Cathy Thomson @cathythomsonPT @physiotalk I work at Guildford. Currently looking into developing FCP #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @mariand84 And is that for diagnosis, investigations as well as treatment? #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @AmandaHensman @physiotalk evening! #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Lewis Lovegrove @_lewadam @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk Thank you Scott. I am sweeping for @physiotalk as well - so will engage where possible. #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk Just to help quantify things... how big is a local area? I'm aware of services in the county / neighbouring counties but am not near enough to know much about it #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 Self defined! :) #physiotalk |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk No idea! It difficult to know who is pushing this agenda (not that I don’t think it’s a good agenda) is it administrators seeing the benefit of physio therapy or is it driven by physiotherapists wanting to do more! #physiotalk |
 | Melissa McDonnell @Mel_McDonnell7 @physiotalk We already run a predominantly self-referral approach without seeing a GP in our area but are just starting to trial an FCP service #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 In your NHS trust or board area perhaps - if that helps... #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @LaurafinucaneB Laura, how long is each session typically? In my head i make it an AM or PM session of 4 hours? #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk running for a month seeing a variety of MSK conditions but dealing with the wider issues as well, some serious pathology picked up too #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @sallybanerjee #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @fiona_rough #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk So it seems like mainly at a pilot or 'just getting started' stage for many... #physiotalk |
| Eily @eilymcc @physiotalk Within private practice, a physio will often be working as a primary contact. In Australia, a significant proportion of the physio community work in private practice and are often first to meet the patient #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Just reminder to all to use the hashtag please! #physiotalk |
 | Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton What is the difference between having a self-referral service vs. FCP? #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @physiokatiek #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk Have been running since 2014, MSK frailty, com0lex co morbidity, public health issues , investigation, on referral signposting, injecting ancvprescribing #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
 | MW physiotherapy @MWPHYSIOTHERAPY Good evening everyone! #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @ScottBuxton_1 yes session is 4 wish hours an am or pm #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Mari @mariand84 @physiotalk Diagnosis and treatment #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton I think that is a key question - anyone have an answer for Joe? #physiotalk |
| Melissa McDonnell @Mel_McDonnell7 @_JoeMiddleton The FCP is in place within the GP practices so that if a patient calls to book an appt with a GP for an MSK related issue they’re instead booked with a physio. Useful for those that struggle to acces self-referral. #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @eilymcc @physiotalk It's really interesting hearing this as I think it clarifies the issues with clarity around the name of FCP. #physiotalk |
| Eily @eilymcc @physiotalk Advanced practice is a growing area in Australia too, within the public health sector. Physio may be the first to see a patient in ED setting. Also physios working alongside consultants in OAHKS and neurosurg clinics... Though on referral from GP potentially? #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @physiotalk #physiotalk what outcome measures are people using to measure success/satisfaction levels |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @AmandaHensman @physiotalk we used @AmandaHensman to mentor our FCPs before they got going which was a great insight to what they were letting themselves in for! #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @physionewlands #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk So - onto our next question... #physiotalk |
 | Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk Hi all. Joining from Edinburgh #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk Mentorship vital for new services #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Q: What are the benefits of providing a FCP service? #physiotalk |
 | Natalie Beswetherick (She/her) @natbeswetherick RT @LaurafinucaneB: @AmandaHensman @physiotalk we used @AmandaHensman to mentor our FCPs before they got going which was a great insight to what they were letting themselves in for! #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @bike2run @_JoeMiddleton #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton In my mind a FCP is an alternative to a GP as in the expectation of the patient is that they receive the same standard of care and help to same accountability. #physiotalk |
 | C McManus @bike2run @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton #physiotalk my bad |
| physiotalk @physiotalk #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc @physiotalk I think it is important to be clear about the different between first contact physio and first contact practitioner, this is often perceived as the same and it isn't #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton So, if I saw a FCP physiotherapist, they would potentially have to refer me to a physiotherapy service for ongoing management? #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @physiotalk Pts get seen by the right person right place first time, rewarding job, chance to be part of primary care MDT, part of the community, chance to upskill to Advanced practice. What not to like? #physiotalk |
| KB @KBNeuroinfo @physiotalk Care navigation, seeing the right person at the right time. Appropriate referral and signposting #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @physiotalk I can see it freeing up GP time far better for MSK presentation #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc Can you explain? The CSP do seem to say that a FC practitioner if a physio, should be called a #FirstContactPhysio Or that's how I read their guidance! #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @AmandaHensman: @physiotalk Pts get seen by the right person right place first time, rewarding job, chance to be part of primary care MDT, part of the community, chance to upskill to Advanced practice. What not to like? #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton #FirstContactPhysio is more than just quick access to physio. Depending on individual training it can offer injection, prescribing, direct referral to orthopaedics, neurology or other services and more as well as physio advice. It adds to the offer of primary care #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @_JoeMiddleton or not, the idea is to try to get the patients to self manage where appropriate #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc Excellent question. To build on this can a physio (or FCP) be called an FCP if they work in a setting where GPs also work - take an urgent treatment centre as an example. #physiotalk |
| Natalie Beswetherick (She/her) @natbeswetherick Having visited @AmandaHensman practice in Cumbria I saw all these benefits for patients #PhysioTalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Is the FCP title just a bit of a smokescreen. Paramedics, nurses and other AHP’s see people in GP surgeries. Does the FCP need to focus on MSK or do they do everything. If so who streams them the msk issues (which may not be msk issues) it’s that what confuses me. #physiotalk |
 | Fiona Rough @fiona_rough @physiotalk #physiotalk #firstcontactphysio Shift Capacity from GPs. MSK patients seen by right person at the right time. Our data also demonstrates reduced rates for imaging, medication, and onward referral rates to secondary care services. |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @natbeswetherick: Having visited @AmandaHensman practice in Cumbria I saw all these benefits for patients #PhysioTalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Mari @mariand84 @physiokatiek @physiotalk Seeing the right person at the right time! #physiotalk |
| Lewis Lovegrove @_lewadam @AmandaHensman @physiotalk Getting the self-management education and advice in early 👍🏽#physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton Oh now I am even more confused!?!? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @IanTyrrell5: @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Is the FCP title just a bit of a smokescreen. Paramedics, nurses and other AHP’s see people in GP surgeries. Does the FCP need to focus on MSK or do they do everything. If so who streams them the msk issues (which may not be msk issues) it’s that what confuses me. #physiotalk |
 | Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @physiokatiek @physiotalk #physiotalk hi Katie outcome measures are tricky as most patients are only seen once (75% patients managed in one appt). At the moment pilot data is being collected to see how patients are managed. We have been using PSQs which show consistent excellent satisfaction |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Nail. On. Head. This has been my issue all along! I am fearful that #FCP is being used as a branding exercise and potentially neglecting other areas of physio practice which can be the foundation within these roles. #physiotalk |
| Cathy Thomson @cathythomsonPT @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc @physiotalk Common misconception IME. Important to get management on board with FCP set-up with required level of clinical experience & training #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton RT @IanTyrrell5: @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Is the FCP title just a bit of a smokescreen. Paramedics, nurses and other AHP’s see people in GP surgeries. Does the FCP need to focus on MSK or do they do everything. If so who streams them the msk issues (which may not be msk issues) it’s that what confuses me. #physiotalk |
 | Simon Ingram @simon_ingram13 @Mel_McDonnell7 @_JoeMiddleton FCP in GP practice also means working as part of the primary care team. Enables upskilling across professions and better understanding of complex care pathways #physiotalk #firstcontactphysio |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton FCP advanced practice role, we also have an FCP paramedic, dieticians are developing their skills, also have developed FCP frailty not just MSK #physiotalk |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk #physiotalk How cam we set up local mentorship / peer support ? |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton You don’t need to be a physio to be a first contact practitioner. The current MSK model allows for others with appropriate skills to fulfill role. We hope in future that the FCP role will be open to other specialties (frailty, respiratory etc as well) #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc think its ok to call themselves a physio but the role is not seeing patients in same context - they are not being referred by GP for physio. Its about self management , signposting, identifying other issues etc #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk So - in the confusion of what a #FirstContactPhysio might be... Lots of mention of being an advanced practitioner So onto our next question... #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton Good question. So far, a First Contact Physio (not practitioner) seems to work in primary care as an alternative to a GP, seeing MSK complaints but otherwise doing everything (and more that a GP can). Am I on the right track here? #physiotalk |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @EMAHPInfo @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton So where does this FCP work sit amongst the ACP work? Are they the same? Different? Related? #confused #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @PhysioCorinne @physionewlands #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @PhysioCorinne @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk Encouraging local FCPs to make a buddy system e.g. maybe Skype call for 20 mins a week, get yo know of her FCP services in the next county and arrange meetings, regional FCP events, asking experienced FCP to help #physiotalk |
 | Sally Banerjee @sallybanerjee @physiotalk #physiotalk quicker access to msk practitioner reduce load on gps improve referrals onto primary and secondary care services |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Q: Are the core capabilities sufficient and robust? #physiotalk https://t.co/llEsPws7Tq |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @jobK2 @physiotalk For now @jobK2 but hopefully extending to other specialties soon. If we can prove the positive impact of the MSK model of #FCP then we can explore others #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton That's news I like hearing Amanda. Can I ask why the CSP haven't been so loud in shouting about non-msk FCPs? I presume it is for clarity of message? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @IanTyrrell5: @EMAHPInfo @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton So where does this FCP work sit amongst the ACP work? Are they the same? Different? Related? #confused #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @EMAHPInfo @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Very good question there #physiotalk #FCP |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc Not hands on physio, assessment diagnosis investigation case management on referral signposting in to all services managing complex co morbidity #physiotalk |
| C McManus @bike2run @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc Considering what patients remember from an interaction, I think it’s important that they FIRST recall that they have seen a physio, then Advanced Practitioner/First Contact or whatever is a bonus if you want to get that in #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton Hang on. Is the amazing working being done by @thecsp about First Contact Practitioners or First Contact Physios, and are they different things? #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @IanTyrrell5 @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Got to be the same. Surely. Must be. Definitely are. Maybe? #physiotalk |
| Eily @eilymcc @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB Interesting to learn about the differences between the UK and Australian public health care settings. Many GP clinics in Aus will have a physio on site too who can be seen independently from GP (primary contact) or on referral from GP. #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc Do you think it is clear to patients if they DON'T call themselves a physio? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @HELLSBELLS_DFYB #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @physiotalk They are and marry up to Advanced practice competencies #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Linked but not the same and none superior to the other. #FirstContactPhysio roles include some aspects of ACP but there are lots of other ACP tasks not expected of FCPs. Not sure if my explanation is helping or hindering?! @sarahwithers20 will be better to explain! #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @ScottBuxton_1 @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton need to consider scope of practice, so yes focus would be on MSK but you are looking at the patient holistically, consider the multi morbidities etc. I see it as part of the patients journey, the front end & not neglecting our core physio, should be integrated #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @EMAHPInfo @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 Would you like to draw a venn diagram :) #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 I don't agree with that #physiotalk |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton So confused! Do FCP’s only work in GP surgeries? I would see no difference in either an FCP in go land to an ACP in frailty/respiratory. See patients independently under guidance, asses, treat,prescribe as required. Do we need different branding? #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 It is an advanced practice role and should fulfil all 4 pillars #physiotalk |
 | michelle angus @michangus @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc We have a team in #ED and #UTC called advanced practitioner s or consultant physios. We feel we do many aspects of the #FirstContactPhysio role, although don't fit the model if in ED but do in UTC as this is primary care #clearasmud #physiotalk |
| Simon Ingram @simon_ingram13 @AmandaHensman @PhysioCorinne @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk We have a case review meeting every fortnight to present interesting or difficult cases. Enables advice from peers and learning is shared. Your welcome to join us @PhysioCorinne #physiotalk #firstcontactphysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @physiotalk: Q: Are the core capabilities sufficient and robust? #physiotalk https://t.co/llEsPws7Tq |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton RT @michangus: @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc We have a team in #ED and #UTC called advanced practitioner s or consultant physios. We feel we do many aspects of the #FirstContactPhysio role, although don't fit the model if in ED but do in UTC as this is primary care #clearasmud #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @_JoeMiddleton picture aN AP who is more of a generalist rather than a specialist , does that help? #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Natalie Beswetherick (She/her) @natbeswetherick @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Yes it is @ScottBuxton Once we have wide understanding of the role we will be introducing the many other possibilities physiotherapists @thecsp working as FCP in areas such as frailty, co-morbidities and a range of LTC @EMAHPInfo has suggested #PhysioTalk #ForstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @EMAHPInfo: @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton You don’t need to be a physio to be a first contact practitioner. The current MSK model allows for others with appropriate skills to fulfill role. We hope in future that the FCP role will be open to other specialties (frailty, respiratory etc as well) #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @_JoeMiddleton @thecsp We’re promoting the profession as being one which can fulfill FCP posts. And a huge number of FCPs are physios because of our skill set #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @PhysioCorinne @fiona_rough @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk You need me too come and help you! #physiotalk |
 | Devi Sundar (She/Her/Hers) @AdvanceHE Fellow❤ @SdPerumal @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @EMAHPInfo @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Echo @Ian Tyrrell .Added concern are we only focusing on first contact MSK physio's, what about Neuro and Respiratory care? #physiotalk |
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| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 Perfect! This means FCP = ACP albeit with a different letter first. #physiotalk |
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| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton It's coming Scott working with other physios I'm the UK around frailty models and other AHPs #physiotalk |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @AmandaHensman @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 Including massage and electro Therapy? #physiotalk |
 | Fraser Ferguson @FraserAHP @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 Do patients know the differences? We should help them to understand #PhysioTalk @Ahpscot |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Quite a few tweets slipping through without the hashtag A gentle reminder to please use #physiotalk in all your tweets |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton This convo is maybe highlighting that we do! FCPs only work in primary care at this stage #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton It's not an alternative, it compliments the primary care team #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @natbeswetherick: @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton Yes it is @ScottBuxton Once we have wide understanding of the role we will be introducing the many other possibilities physiotherapists @thecsp working as FCP in areas such as frailty, co-morbidities and a range of LTC @EMAHPInfo has suggested #PhysioTalk #ForstContactPhysio |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @natbeswetherick @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @scottbuxton @thecsp @EMAHPInfo But don't those roles already exist, with the drive coming from the advanced clinical practice 'movement'? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @EMAHPInfo: @_JoeMiddleton @thecsp We’re promoting the profession as being one which can fulfill FCP posts. And a huge number of FCPs are physios because of our skill set #physiotalk |
 | Sally York (She/Her) @SallyThinks @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc #physiotalk having spoken to our patient participation groups #PPG they were keen for the term physio to be in the title eg “ Specialist physiotherapist” we should be proud to promote our profession and be clear. |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @natbeswetherick @AmandaHensman @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton @scottbuxton @thecsp @EMAHPInfo Thanks Natalie 👌👍 Starting to all make sense. What do you think the time frame is for the FCP vision? #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk In primary care only? #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @PhysioCorinne @fiona_rough @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk I have got a car...am popping into see the Cornish FVP team and GPS in a couple of weeks and they are further away #physiotalk |
 | Paula Deacon @paulawoods5 For me, having appropriate skill-mix and pathways integrated into MSK services then all the team become a FCP. #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton RT @SallyThinks: @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc #physiotalk having spoken to our patient participation groups #PPG they were keen for the term physio to be in the title eg “ Specialist physiotherapist” we should be proud to promote our profession and be clear. |
| Devi Sundar (She/Her/Hers) @AdvanceHE Fellow❤ @SdPerumal @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton That sounds we are aiming at integrating our roles. I believe its good way to reduce the burden on secondary care. So what are the skill sets required ? #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @SdPerumal @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @ian MSK roles are where we’re starting but when we show positive impact then we hope to extend to other specialties and conditions #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @fiona_rough @physiotalk Is this a shift of MSK CATS services that we know have similar outcomes? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @EMAHPInfo: @SdPerumal @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @ian MSK roles are where we’re starting but when we show positive impact then we hope to extend to other specialties and conditions #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @michangus @fiona_rough @physiotalk CATS? #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @FraserAHP @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 @Ahpscot We have resources to help with understanding for clinicians, other primary care staff and patients on @thecsp website. Lots free to download as well #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Over half way through tonights #physiotalk and I have a bit of a plea! Can we explain some of our acronyms... CATS UTC |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @EMAHPInfo @FraserAHP @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 @Ahpscot @thecsp We've linked to a lot on our #physiotalk blog for tonights chat! |
| Mari @mariand84 @physiotalk Yes please #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @natbeswetherick @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton @scottbuxton @thecsp @EMAHPInfo you can DM me if you like re frailty Scott #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk UTC = urgent treatment centre Cats = fluffy domesticated pets which sometimes scratch your furniture. #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Going onto our next question for tonight #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @SdPerumal @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Lots of resources on the CSP website about role of an FCP and links to HEE and NHSE resources #physiotalk |
| KB @KBNeuroinfo RT @AmandaHensman: @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton It's not an alternative, it compliments the primary care team #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 always* #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 When is a UTC not an ED or A&E then... Continuing the acronym fest! #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Q What training is needed to ensure competent FCP #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @natbeswetherick @IanTyrrell5 @_JoeMiddleton @scottbuxton @thecsp @EMAHPInfo Good networking there@AmandaHensman #physiotalk #FCP |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @physiotalk #physiotalk I am working through the capabilities which are guiding my development & CPD. I aim to complete them over the 2 year HCPC audit cycle |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @physiotalk The online course we are waiting for #physiotalk |
| Melissa McDonnell @Mel_McDonnell7 RT @EMAHPInfo: @SdPerumal @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @ian MSK roles are where we’re starting but when we show positive impact then we hope to extend to other specialties and conditions #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @_JoeMiddleton There's also the 'outreach' teams often staffed with #advancedpractitioners who aim to reduce hospital admissions. Many are physio or ot background and GPs commission this instead of home visits #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk advanced clinical reasoning and advanced clinical reasoning ...:) #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @EMAHPInfo: @SdPerumal @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Lots of resources on the CSP website about role of an FCP and links to HEE and NHSE resources #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB Defined as.... #physiotalk |
| Cathy Thomson @cathythomsonPT @physiotalk Are services using competence based frameworks? #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 When it doesn't have Emergency Medicine Doctors, and usually isn't 24/7. ED is now the preferred term over A&E. #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiokatiek @physiotalk its coming! but its only part go the jigsaw puzzle #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB And how do you get to that point of being able to reason at an advanced level? #physiotalk |
| Rob Yeldham (he/him) @RobYeldham @SdPerumal @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @EMAHPInfo @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @ian Drive from governments across UK at present is for MSK #FirstContactPhysio but the concept could be used for other specialisms, if there is sufficient GP caseload. Some discussion of pain management and disability related services being possible areas for development. #PhysioTalk |
| Sally Banerjee @sallybanerjee @physiotalk Good q, in Leeds still unclear discussions recently regarding legality issues should they arise. Without any recognised training program as yet ... identified where do we stand ...? #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc Absolutely , yes. The FCP elearning that Neil langridge has led will be out in May, has 8 modules to help understand and develop physios into AHPs roles. One module is manageing complex co morbidity in a time limited consultation #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @natbeswetherick @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @scottbuxton @thecsp @EMAHPInfo Is that an open invitation Amanda? :) #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @physiokatiek Is this is specific online course? Or just generally?? #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk Of course but keen to have a look #physiotalk |
| Devi Sundar (She/Her/Hers) @AdvanceHE Fellow❤ @SdPerumal @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Aware of CSP Agenda for change job evaluation scheme. If the FCP is for any discipline and work as integrated model then how does the banding applies?? is it still Band 7 or 8a?? #physiotalk |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @physiotalk #physiotalk the core capabilities however do not meet the NMP competency framework so I have extended the pharmacology section to meet them as well |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk I knew you would ask that!! think broadly, deal with complexity, systems thinking #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton But all within GP practices, yes? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @AmandaHensman: @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc Absolutely , yes. The FCP elearning that Neil langridge has led will be out in May, has 8 modules to help understand and develop physios into AHPs roles. One module is manageing complex co morbidity in a time limited consultation #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @physiotalk Neil Langridge specific #physiotalk Amanda knows it |
| Sally Banerjee @sallybanerjee RT @AmandaHensman: @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc Absolutely , yes. The FCP elearning that Neil langridge has led will be out in May, has 8 modules to help understand and develop physios into AHPs roles. One module is manageing complex co morbidity in a time limited consultation #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @AmandaHensman @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @eilymcc Do you know details or how will this be accessed? #physiotalk |
| Melissa McDonnell @Mel_McDonnell7 @physiotalk Some form of additional advanced clinical practice training/course alongside GP mentorship? #physiotalk |
| Rob Yeldham (he/him) @RobYeldham Someone asked about competency frameworks - CSP welcomes framework to support first contact MSK physiotherapists | The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy #PhysioTalk https://t.co/QNwDDVUp7S |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @sallybanerjee: @physiotalk Good q, in Leeds still unclear discussions recently regarding legality issues should they arise. Without any recognised training program as yet ... identified where do we stand ...? #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB a lot of years of expericence, lots of support and mentorship, using the core capability framework, enrolling on the masters module for FCP at UCLAN, doing the FREE e-learning FCP module which will be live on the HEE website in may #physiotalk |
 | Katrina Kennedy @katrinaKenn_AHP RT @AmandaHensman: @physiotalk Pts get seen by the right person right place first time, rewarding job, chance to be part of primary care MDT, part of the community, chance to upskill to Advanced practice. What not to like? #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @AmandaHensman @jobK2 @eilymcc through @NHS_HealthEdEng and CSP #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Paula Deacon @paulawoods5 @_JoeMiddleton Not necessarily, depends on the model commissioned. #physiotalk |
| KB @KBNeuroinfo RT @AmandaHensman: @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB a lot of years of expericence, lots of support and mentorship, using the core capability framework, enrolling on the masters module for FCP at UCLAN, doing the FREE e-learning FCP module which will be live on the HEE website in may #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB So will the HEE FCP module only be for England? #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB I'll keep my eyes peeled for that module. #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk @AmandaHensman @jobK2 @eilymcc through @NHS_HealthEdEng and CSP #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @physiotalk hopefully May but it will be well advertised #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @RobYeldham: Someone asked about competency frameworks - CSP welcomes framework to support first contact MSK physiotherapists | The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy #PhysioTalk https://t.co/QNwDDVUp7S |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB The plan is for it to be wider #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @AmandaHensman no it will be far reaching and even looking to going global #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @Mel_McDonnell7 @physiotalk I think the GP mentorship will be essential. I hear primary care can feel lonely at times. #physiotalk |
| Sally York (She/Her) @SallyThinks @cathythomsonPT @physiotalk The competency framework provides a really useful structure in combination with e- learning and mentorship a jigsaw as @LaurafinucaneB said #Physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @LaurafinucaneB: @ScottBuxton_1 @AmandaHensman @physiotalk hopefully May but it will be well advertised #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk |
| Devi Sundar (She/Her/Hers) @AdvanceHE Fellow❤ @SdPerumal @RobYeldham @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @EMAHPInfo @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @ian truly agree @RobYeldham. The skills set for FCP should be multi component- physio, psychology, counselling, social and pharmacological knowledge to advice and prescribe to handle current challenges both health economy and patient needs oriented. #physiotalk |
 | Sasha Wood @SashaWoodPT @physiotalk High quality assessment and quicker access to education and management strategies. No need to jump through the hoop of seeing a GP for them only to refer to a long physio waiting list #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @FraserAHP @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton @sarahwithers20 @Ahpscot Would be more complex than the analysis of Saturdays game at twickenham! 🤯 #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk @AmandaHensman no it will be far reaching and even looking to going global #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk So - having thought about competencies and training... Our next question is coming up... #physiotalk |
| Fiona Rough @fiona_rough @AmandaHensman @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB more courses like the masters module for FCP at UCLAN are needed. Would be keen to have something like this in HEIs in Scotland #physiotalk |
| Katrina Kennedy @katrinaKenn_AHP RT @EMAHPInfo: @SdPerumal @physiotalk @IanTyrrell5 @ScottBuxton_1 @_JoeMiddleton Lots of resources on the CSP website about role of an FCP and links to HEE and NHSE resources #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @physiotalk @ScottBuxton_1 NHS England want every CCG to have a UTC by 2020 (usually 8am-10pm) so there is a huge push for this & #advancedpractice physio's #FirstContactPhysio need to be a vital part of this workforce planning in every location #physiotalk (slightly off topic, just in reply) |
| Katrina Kennedy @katrinaKenn_AHP RT @AmandaHensman: @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc Absolutely , yes. The FCP elearning that Neil langridge has led will be out in May, has 8 modules to help understand and develop physios into AHPs roles. One module is manageing complex co morbidity in a time limited consultation #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @AmandaHensman Good to hear! #physiotalk |
| Eily @eilymcc @physiotalk This might be on interest, Advanced Practice Physio framework in Australia... #physiotalk https://t.co/EtzZYAYXl1 |
| Katrina Kennedy @katrinaKenn_AHP RT @RobYeldham: Someone asked about competency frameworks - CSP welcomes framework to support first contact MSK physiotherapists | The Chartered Society of Physiotherapy #PhysioTalk https://t.co/QNwDDVUp7S |
| C McManus @bike2run @ScottBuxton_1 @Mel_McDonnell7 @physiotalk Cakes are just as good as those in physio departments! #physiotalk |
| Katrina Kennedy @katrinaKenn_AHP RT @AmandaHensman: @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB a lot of years of expericence, lots of support and mentorship, using the core capability framework, enrolling on the masters module for FCP at UCLAN, doing the FREE e-learning FCP module which will be live on the HEE website in may #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @AmandaHensman Will it have academic credits associated with it?? #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @fiona_rough @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB I believe that other universities are looking at doing it too #physiotalk |
| Katrina Kennedy @katrinaKenn_AHP RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk @AmandaHensman no it will be far reaching and even looking to going global #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @eilymcc: @physiotalk This might be on interest, Advanced Practice Physio framework in Australia... #physiotalk https://t.co/EtzZYAYXl1 |
 | James Pearson @jimmypeo17 @physiotalk I know there's and FCP module currently at Uni of central Lancashire. Appropriate local peer support and mentor programmes. @neiljlangridge i believe is working on what will likely be a gold mine of training and development for FCP MSK roles #physiotalk |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @AmandaHensman @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc #physiotalk really looking forward to the e-learning & looking firward to listening to Neil & Amanda at the FCP conference in Winchester in May |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Q Do we have the workforce to deliver FCP across the UK? #physiotalk |
 | Anna Spiteri @spiteri_anna RT @eilymcc: @physiotalk This might be on interest, Advanced Practice Physio framework in Australia... #physiotalk https://t.co/EtzZYAYXl1 |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @PhysioCorinne: @AmandaHensman @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc #physiotalk really looking forward to the e-learning & looking firward to listening to Neil & Amanda at the FCP conference in Winchester in May |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @sallybanerjee @physiotalk Definitely worth speaking to @csp_steph and @sarahwithers20 who would be more than happy to answer questions. Pilots in many areas prove that any issues can be resolved #physiotalk |
| Anna Spiteri @spiteri_anna RT @jimmypeo17: @physiotalk I know there's and FCP module currently at Uni of central Lancashire. Appropriate local peer support and mentor programmes. @neiljlangridge i believe is working on what will likely be a gold mine of training and development for FCP MSK roles #physiotalk |
| Katie Knapton @physiokatiek @physiotalk May need to use some of us from private sector with suitable skills?? #physiotalk |
| Anna Spiteri @spiteri_anna RT @EMAHPInfo: @sallybanerjee @physiotalk Definitely worth speaking to @csp_steph and @sarahwithers20 who would be more than happy to answer questions. Pilots in many areas prove that any issues can be resolved #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @PhysioCorinne @jobK2 @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @eilymcc You will be fully intergrating in my presentation...will need a notebook and pen, get ready to do a time limited consultation ;) #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @EMAHPInfo: @sallybanerjee @physiotalk Definitely worth speaking to @csp_steph and @sarahwithers20 who would be more than happy to answer questions. Pilots in many areas prove that any issues can be resolved #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk brilliant question, not really..we need to look at developing the workforce, need to train FCP, flex the workforce , we need to integrate core physio as so important and AP and FCP not possible without core physio #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| michelle angus @michangus @physiotalk If the governance structure locally supports it we do, the risk is junior practitioners being placed in these roles in isolation #physiotalk experience can not be underrated. |
| Paula Deacon @paulawoods5 @fiona_rough @physiotalk Oops #physiotalk 🤗 |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk I think we need a broad agenda, physios are not just experts in msk. We have so many ways of managing all acute and long term problems. We need to improve and modernise our education pathways and encourage non traditional career paths. This is just my opinion #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk brilliant question, not really..we need to look at developing the workforce, need to train FCP, flex the workforce , we need to integrate core physio as so important and AP and FCP not possible without core physio #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Anna Spiteri @spiteri_anna RT @michangus: @physiotalk If the governance structure locally supports it we do, the risk is junior practitioners being placed in these roles in isolation #physiotalk experience can not be underrated. |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton RT @IanTyrrell5: @physiotalk I think we need a broad agenda, physios are not just experts in msk. We have so many ways of managing all acute and long term problems. We need to improve and modernise our education pathways and encourage non traditional career paths. This is just my opinion #physiotalk |
| Paula Deacon @paulawoods5 #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @paulawoods5 @fiona_rough Well remembered #Physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @michangus @physiotalk completely agree Michelle. #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk brilliant question, not really..we need to look at developing the workforce, need to train FCP, flex the workforce , we need to integrate core physio as so important and AP and FCP not possible without core physio #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Wondering if in at least the short term putting FCP into GP surgeries will drain physiotherapy departments of their highly skilled advanced practitioners??? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @michangus: @physiotalk If the governance structure locally supports it we do, the risk is junior practitioners being placed in these roles in isolation #physiotalk experience can not be underrated. |
| James Pearson @jimmypeo17 @physiotalk I think recently there has been an increase in undergrads leaving uni. Also there are more apprenticeship programmes, M level learning programmes in development and possibly in combination with NIHR/HEE support could lead to advancing experienced band 6s to 7s #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk absolutely!!! definately a symbiotic relationship! #physiotalk |
| Devi Sundar (She/Her/Hers) @AdvanceHE Fellow❤ @SdPerumal @physiotalk I believe there is huge demand for workforce with the growing needs of chronic disease management. Not sure any audit data been documented for business case?? I view a good promotional direction with defined skills set would get the ball rolling towards FCP. #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 Not asked the question yet, but with 5 minutes left I think I will What Band do you think a #FirstContactPhysio needs to be? #physiotalk |
| Sally Banerjee @sallybanerjee @physiotalk No I don’t think we have and think risk of burn out is likely for fcp physio ..... is potentially high Workforce planning essential #physiotalk |
| Paula Deacon @paulawoods5 @fiona_rough @physiotalk Ahhhh #physiotalk #itsbeenalongday |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk Possibly but as I always say in appraisals and supervisions “it’s my job to train you to replace me” #physiotalk |
| KB @KBNeuroinfo RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk brilliant question, not really..we need to look at developing the workforce, need to train FCP, flex the workforce , we need to integrate core physio as so important and AP and FCP not possible without core physio #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| C McManus @bike2run @physiotalk But the MSK bit is the easy win, to get in the door. The non MSK presentation management comes with trust (or as Grant Syme would trusted activity) #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk Haven''t MSK & Orthopaedic interface services been doing that already? #physiotalk |
| Euan McComiskie @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk Not yet but lots of work at CSP with colleagues at HEE + NHSE to meet it. Similar challenges in Sco, Wal and NI with @thecsp supporting members in those countries too. Great to have another career progression option for physios so in a way a nice problem to have! #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk we need to avoid this happening , best model IMO is having FCP working in physio dept as well as AP so we grow our workforce and support #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @EMAHPInfo: @physiotalk Not yet but lots of work at CSP with colleagues at HEE + NHSE to meet it. Similar challenges in Sco, Wal and NI with @thecsp supporting members in those countries too. Great to have another career progression option for physios so in a way a nice problem to have! #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman RT @EMAHPInfo: @physiotalk Not yet but lots of work at CSP with colleagues at HEE + NHSE to meet it. Similar challenges in Sco, Wal and NI with @thecsp supporting members in those countries too. Great to have another career progression option for physios so in a way a nice problem to have! #physiotalk |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @physiotalk #physiotalk We may not have the workforce now but this role offers so many experienced physios the opportunity of career development & pay recognition for their skills |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @thecsp It will take time, but possible to do in stages, not p[ossible to solve immediately! Will an increase in student places, the ball has started rolling from grass roots for forward planning #physiotalk |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 #physiotalk Band 8a / developmental Band 7 |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 Juicy question. Tactically left until the end 😉 I'm going to go out on a limb and say 7 to 8a pathway. #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk So shifting the CATS or interface services to allow peer support, this is the model we are looking at too #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| C McManus @bike2run @sallybanerjee @physiotalk I slightly disagree, resistance to burnout comes from having a supportive team, great relationships formed out with physio #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @michangus @LaurafinucaneB I'm still not sure what CATS is :( #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 Most definately! This is written and supported by the NHSE long term plan and in the GP 5 year frsamework #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 band 8 , band 7 trains post we are worth it !! #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| James Pearson @jimmypeo17 @physiotalk Just an opinion but Band 8a/b as a clinical specialist to provide peer support to band 7s who are undertaking an appropriate training programme with nationally agreed standards #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 Absolutely, via HEE apprenticeship programmes #FirstContactPhysio #physiotalk with mentorship, peer support & governance pathways. |
| Paula Deacon @paulawoods5 @fiona_rough @physiotalk Not implemented just yet hence my (genuine) questions. #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk And that's a busy hour up! Feel free to keep in chatting as we'll collect the transcript later tonight #physiotalk |
| Scott Buxton @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @michangus @LaurafinucaneB I'm going to guess... Clinical Assessment Triage Service? #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @michangus clinical assessment and treatment service #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Cathy Thomson @cathythomsonPT @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 I'd say 8a, need to recognise the level of clinical expertise required #physiotalk |
| Devi Sundar (She/Her/Hers) @AdvanceHE Fellow❤ @SdPerumal @EMAHPInfo @physiotalk @thecsp Apart from CSP, as it is an integrated role do we have a working group for FCP discipline specific in England, Wales & Scotland? I mean is RCP involved? #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Huge thanks to all for taking part tonight - and especially anyone who was carrying on from the CSP day today! #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB Clinical assessment & treatment services, or triage & treat practitioners or interface services. Different branding but all #advancedpractice or go/consultant services in primary care (usually MSK or neuro). #physiotalk |
| Amanda Hensman-Crook @AmandaHensman @physiotalk thank you #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @michangus Thanks! Which is.... (Sorry to show my ignorance but isn't that most services...) #physiotalk |
| C McManus @bike2run @michangus @ScottBuxton_1 @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 Re mentorship, don’t underestimate the mentoring physio can provide to medics, ANP’s. It works both ways, give and take. #physiotalk |
| physiotalk @physiotalk RT @LaurafinucaneB: @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 band 8 , band 7 trains post we are worth it !! #physiotalk #FirstContactPhysio |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB @michangus I mean, you make a really good point there!!! #physiotalk |
| Natalie Beswetherick (She/her) @natbeswetherick @physiotalk Thanks #physiotalk |
| Corinne Birch @PhysioCorinne @physiotalk #physiotalk this pay band has been supported in the latest Primary Care GP reform document. We must not undersell our worth |
| physiotalk @physiotalk Our next chat is in a fortnight and we'll be looking at supporting positive mental health in the physio workforce #physiotalk |
| Ian Tyrrell @IanTyrrell5 @physiotalk @jimmypeo17 Unless you have a very selective caseload needs to be representive of the assessment and diagnosing skills of not just msk problems but a whole systems, holistic approach! Hence why I think we need to work on the FCP vs ACP differences! #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @physiotalk @michangus depends, AP would work in a CATS as triage role essentially #physiotalk thanks for curating ! |
| KB @KBNeuroinfo RT @physiotalk: Our next chat is in a fortnight and we'll be looking at supporting positive mental health in the physio workforce #physiotalk |
| michelle angus @michangus @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB They were commissioned in most areas to act as an interface to reduce orthopaedic referrals in the 2000's. #advancedpractice often physio's who prescribe, inject, refer for & act on diagnostic s. #physiotalk |
| Lewis Lovegrove @_lewadam RT @physiotalk: Our next chat is in a fortnight and we'll be looking at supporting positive mental health in the physio workforce #physiotalk |
| Joe Middleton @_JoeMiddleton Thanks @physiotalk I think things are a little clearer, but can't help but feel that FCP just joins the melting pot of confusion that is ACP. Will do some reading of the resources shared tonight and see how I get on! #physiotalk |
| Anna Spiteri @spiteri_anna RT @physiotalk: Our next chat is in a fortnight and we'll be looking at supporting positive mental health in the physio workforce #physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @helschez @michangus @physiotalk agree but we are in control of some of that IMO #physiotalk #firstcontactphysio |
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| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB @jobK2 @AmandaHensman @physiotalk @eilymcc @neiljlangridge has a paper accepted....#physiotalk |
| Laura Finucane @LaurafinucaneB RT @AmandaHensman: @physiotalk @LaurafinucaneB a lot of years of expericence, lots of support and mentorship, using the core capability framework, enrolling on the masters module for FCP at UCLAN, doing the FREE e-learning FCP module which will be live on the HEE website in may #physiotalk |
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