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Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@zkhu Chat starts in 1 minute, Krisztina. Follow #WeSpeechies
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Hello! Which #SLPeeps and #SLP2b are here for the chat on impacts of word characteristics on language learning? #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
RT @ASHAJournals: .@WeSpeechies Lexical Organization and Phonological Change in Treatment https://t.co/OxhDpAjSwf #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
RT @ASHAJournals: .@WeSpeechies The Effect of Incremental Changes in Phonotactic Probability and Neighborhood Density on Word Learning by P…
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@wespeechies Hello all! Caroline here in the Blue Mountains, looking forward to lurking on the #WeSpeechies chat.
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Thanks to @ASHAJournals for all the great articles in this week's collection. #wespeechies
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@speechwoman Oops. Already forgetting to tag #wespeechies. So...reminder to all of us to use the tag!
Lois Letchford @letchfordlois
RT @ASHAJournals: .@WeSpeechies The Lexicon and Phonology: Interactions in Language Acquisition https://t.co/iwOJQ0lMow #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
#WeSpeechies https://t.co/gxbF8B3rJJ
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Let's get started. Q1 What resources do you use in relation to: word frequency, density, and probability? #WeSpeechies
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@larchiba6 @ASHAJournals Welcome Lisa! #WeSpeechies
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Here’s one resource for adult and child density and probability (CVCs only): article https://t.co/xBVHu1iczj; supplemental materials https://t.co/cXEmnfn6ca #WeSpeechies
Lois Letchford @letchfordlois
RT @ASHAJournals: .@WeSpeechies Online Learning From Input Versus Offline Memory Evolution in Adult Word Learning: Effects of Neighborhood…
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Q1 Here's another -- English Lexicon Project – characteristics based on phonology and orthography https://t.co/q4f3ktjXYr #WeSpeechies
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Q1 Anyone interested in languages other than English? Try CLEARPOND https://t.co/8Ww6rNyIe6 #WeSpeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies I'll have to spend some time looking at these #wespeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
Q1 I made a list of Verbs, Nouns and Adjectives Residing in Sparse Neighbourhoods of <11 (PDF) https://t.co/ngBpHaj8j0 #WeSpeechies
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@larchiba6 Best thing to do is to try them out. Maybe put one set of words through each site to see what you get back and how they compare. #wespeechies
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Anyone have experience with the child resources? Like ChildFreq to extract word frequencies from the CHILDES database. https://t.co/OQlRUWQgUs #WeSpeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies Wow, this excel table is amazing! What might I use a table like this for? #wespeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
Q1 Also Pictures for Low Density Words with Clusters SIWI 1. https://t.co/c41G4hhpGk 2. https://t.co/EhpmcJP9wt 3. https://t.co/okzb5nAxjc They can be found here: https://t.co/C5vuUwv0db #WeSpeechies
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@larchiba6 This is what we use in my lab to identify stimuli for research or treatment. You can copy it, sort by different values, and start deleting words/nonwords that don't meet your criteria. #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 So, you could delete all the low density words and just focus on high density words if you needed that for research/treatment. #wespeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies So, I could say, (for example) what are words that have only late developing consonants and an iC rhyme? #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 That's right. Also, it has z-scores. Often we are interested in lower or higher density. The z-score is something that everyone knows how to interpret, whereas the numbers may be unfamiliar. #wespeechies
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@speechwoman Great resource! Thanks for sharing. #wespeechies
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@speechwoman Terrific. Words and pictures are a great resource for use in the clinic! Can take forever to find good pictures. #wespeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies So then I would say, what are the words with z-scores lower than 1.96 (i.e., very low frequency) on X variable? #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 Correct. Gives you a better sense of that relative ranking. Are we near the middle of the pack (close to 0) or out at the ends (-1, -2 or +1, +2). (-) means low and (+) means high. #wespeechies
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Q2 How are you currently using word frequency, density, and probability in clinical practice (or research)? #WeSpeechies
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Q2. My experience here is more with treatment of #DevPhonDis.#wespeechies
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Phonological learning in treatment of kids with #DevPhonDis is better when treatment words are higher frequency (with mixed density). #WeSpeechies https://t.co/imXgubgMs1
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Why? High frequency words reduce processing load “allowing a child to execute more detailed analysis of the input.” #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
Welcome to the #WeSpeechies chat, @dazelynfaith in the Philippines!🙃
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Greater study of treatment of #DevPhonDis showed differing effects depending on how word characteristics were combined. This article offers a great summary for clinicians. #WeSpeechies https://t.co/bmvME8FU7M
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies Yes, that makes sense. And then the mixed density...why that? #wespeechies
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What works? High frequency with mixed density; high frequency with high density; low frequency with high density #WeSpeechies https://t.co/alW05h71xs
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@larchiba6 You get different effects depending on whether the density is constant or mixed. Seems to have something to do with the consistency or what is being highlighted. High Freq/mixed density; Highfreq/high density; LowFreq/high density all work. #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 High density in tx of #DevPhonDis provides contrast between treated sound and other sounds, similar to minimal pair treatment #WeSpeechies https://t.co/alW05h71xs
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@wespeechies Anna Sosa's article is such a useful clinical resource, #WeSpeechies! Thaks for choosing it, and thanks @ASHAJournals for liberating it, and the rest of this week's articles for us 😎 https://t.co/PIURAZb87m
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@larchiba6 High density allows you that internal comparison between a treated sound (e.g., "s" in "seal") and other sounds in the language (e.g., neighbors "heal, peel, wheel, meal” etc.). #wespeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies Yes, ok. What about mixed density? What's the idea there? #wespeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
RT @wespeechies: What works? High frequency with mixed density; high frequency with high density; low frequency with high density #WeSpeech
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@larchiba6 That's more that the mixed density just allows the density to be "ignored" and the processing advantage of high frequency to shine through. #WeSpeechies
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@larchiba6 Here's another cool thing. Activating the neighborhood of the treated words prior to production practice also can facilitate learning during tx of #DevPhonDis. #WeSpeechies https://t.co/alW05h71xs
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@larchiba6 This was accomplished by reading a short story loaded with neighbors at the start of the treatment session. #wespeechies
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Q3 What are some challenges in using word frequency, density, and probability in clinical practice (or research)? #WeSpeechies
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I can share one that I've experienced. Studies are tightly controlled and that doesn’t always match what walks in your door clinically. #WeSpeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies In that case, the child is listening to the story beforehand, right? #wespeechies
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Studies of tx of #DevPhonDis show importance of word characteristics in facilitating phonological learning but only a few target sounds were tested. #WeSpeechies
More To Say @YorkMore2Say
RT @wespeechies: Greater study of treatment of #DevPhonDis showed differing effects depending on how word characteristics were combined. Th…
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@larchiba6 Yes for the first couple of minutes of treatment and then drill play production practice starts. It's a priming type paradigm. #wespeechies
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What if the child you are working with doesn’t need to work on those treated sounds? Turns out certain combinations of word characteristics don’t work for all target sounds. #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@wespeechies @larchiba6 Neat! And too easy, #WeSpeechies! Wish you were here, @DrEliseBaker @SharynneMcLeod @LynnWilliamsSLP @tricmc @ProfRvach @goldstein25!
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
RT @wespeechies: @larchiba6 Yes for the first couple of minutes of treatment and then drill play production practice starts. It's a priming…
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We figured this out in generating tx materials for #DevPhonDis in a forthcoming article in @ASHAJournals. #WeSpeechies https://t.co/ZTHJAjEOJl
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Isn’t this interesting? Couldn’t find high frequency words for certain sounds: v, ch, j, th, z, sh #WeSpeechies https://t.co/RrXrkgW7yo
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies So, you're saying it's a challenge to choose high frequency words for kids who need to work on these targets? I'm wondering too, when do/would you choose low density words in tx? #wespeechies
Dr Tricia McCabe @tricmc
RT @speechwoman: Q1 Also Pictures for Low Density Words with Clusters SIWI 1. https://t.co/c41G4hhpGk 2. https://t.co/EhpmcJP9wt 3. https:…
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@larchiba6 Well....low density doesn't seem to work as well for broad phonological learning but it does work ok for more narrow learning. So, if you had an older kid with #DevPhonDis who only had a few sounds to work on, low density could be ok. #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
#WeSpeechies https://t.co/YpiCdbhwze
Dr Tricia McCabe @tricmc
@speechwoman My point exactly- I forgot to tag the two #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 See Figure 2 of this article. Low density (mixed frequency) was good for learning the treated sound. #WeSpeechies https://t.co/imXgubgMs1
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@tricmc @speechwoman The chat will be here when you are more awake! #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@tricmc Good demo. #WeSpeechies
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@larchiba6 I think the bigger point that this illustrates is that it can be difficult to implement EBP in the clinic when the original research doesn't reflect the range of approaches, kids, issues, etc. that we encounter clinically. #WeSpeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies So, @speechwoman - what motivated you to make your lists of low density words? #wespeechies
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Q4 What do you consider important in selecting words for assessment, treatment, AAC design or research? #WeSpeechies
RCSLTResearch @RCSLTResearch
@CAHPR_SES @cahprnorth #gettingintoresearch @CAHPR_SES @cahprnorth Closing notes include another emphasis on #networks as your way into research, do any #wespeechies have a story to share on this?
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So..word characteristics are useful. Seem to help with easing processing demands. What else might be important? #WeSpeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@larchiba6 @wespeechies This article https://t.co/dSp1mXMfdO I was working with 9-year old twins with very low PCCs. From memory, around 38-40. They'd seen numerous previous therapists and were bored stiff. I also applied the SSP with them. #WeSpeechies
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@speechwoman @larchiba6 Low density is good for learning the treated sound and the SSP would be the element that would get you that broad change. That's a great example of combining word characteristics with something else to get a good outcome. Did it work? #wespeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies Meaning. In my work, we often think about vocabulary, and selecting tier 2 words for maximum usefulness of more literary words. #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 Right and tier 2 brings up the issue of functionality. Some words you could select based on density, etc. might not be too useful for the child. #wespeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@speechwoman @wespeechies Need a hint: SSP? #wespeechies (I know I'll recognize it as soon as you write it!)
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@wespeechies @larchiba6 It worked fast for one twin. I was amazed. The other, "brighter" twin progressed slowly but they both "got there". #WeSpeechies
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@larchiba6 @speechwoman Maybe not. I interpreted it as Sonority Sequencing Principle-- applies to clusters. #wespeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@larchiba6 @wespeechies SSP = sonority sequency principle. #WeSpeechies
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@speechwoman @larchiba6 Oh good. I was on the same page with you! #wespeechies
Andrew Watt @SLPAndrew
Congrats @mebradhen on developing what looks like an amazing game representing #ASD. It's fantastic to see a project like this in a medium that is relatable to young people. Love the retro design too! Will be of interest to many #WeSpeechies. Wishing you all the best! https://t.co/qeHQUF2dJu
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies @speechwoman Wow! I might need a bigger hint! #wespeechies
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@speechwoman @larchiba6 Isn't that interesting? The populations we work with are so heterogenous and difficult to predict who will do what. #Wespeechies
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@larchiba6 @speechwoman Sonority (resonance) rises across the onset/beginning of syllable, peaks at the vowel, and then falls in the coda/end. #wespeechies
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@wespeechies @speechwoman And how might I 'apply' this knowledge in tx? #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 @speechwoman It is used to rank order how difficult clusters are. Clusters with a large sonority difference (tw, kw) are "easier" than clusters with a small sonority difference (fl, fr). #wespeechies
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@larchiba6 @speechwoman So, you treat clusters with a small sonority difference (fl, fr) and you get more phonological learning than treating clusters with a large difference (tw, kw). #wespeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@larchiba6 @wespeechies There are some Sonority Sequencing Principle (SSP) resources -- pictures and words -- here: https://t.co/C5vuUwv0db for #WeSpeechies to use in treatment. 🙃
Lisa Archibald @larchiba6
@speechwoman @wespeechies Wow, it's a new world out there! #wespeechies
Cᴀʀᴏʟɪɴᴇ Bᴏᴡᴇɴ 🇦🇺🇳🇿 @speechwoman
@wespeechies @larchiba6 "The Formula" https://t.co/9Eshp2hJoD #WeSpeechies Sonority Sequencing Principle #WeSpeechies
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@speechwoman @larchiba6 Here's a quick summary of clusters by SD. #wespeechies https://t.co/0bosZgOpQQ
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